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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-12-13 18:59:38 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up


I Am loosing so much payshence on a forums that i lose sanity on the forums and rite my raje and say palabras malos at company that make game becuz i Am mad.


[Chorus]
I can't feel the way I did before
Don't turn your back on me
I won't be ignored
Time won't heal this damage anymore
Don't turn your back on me I won't be ignored

I should buy an Ishtar.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#22 - 2012-12-13 19:08:05 UTC
Anneliese Pollard wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
I Am loosing so much payshence on a forums that i lose sanity on the forums and rite my raje and say palabras malos at company that make game becuz i Am mad.


Honestly, I had a hard time reading this...


And people say proper spelling and grammar don't matter...
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#23 - 2012-12-13 19:17:01 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up


Buddy, i fly a gila which uses nothing but drones as offense, i've lost 2 heavy drones, 1 light and 1 medium since the AI change.

"Gaming God" you ****** up.



Thank you for useless statistics. Without knowing the other details that tells us nothing (ie losing those drones after 20 hours of flying not horrible, losing them after 3 hours kinda crappy).

How many drones did you lose prior to the changes?


Look at it this way, I've spent 3 hours on world's collide, before the change i may lose one drone, after the change i just lost 6 drones, and after 3 bhours i got pissed off took a hammer and started beating the **** out of my modem because i trained 3 years to perfect my drones mand defensive skills, now ccp is trying to force me to give up my drone boats, CCP can kiss my ass all the way to the unsub button
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-12-13 19:19:01 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up


Buddy, i fly a gila which uses nothing but drones as offense, i've lost 2 heavy drones, 1 light and 1 medium since the AI change.

"Gaming God" you ****** up.



Thank you for useless statistics. Without knowing the other details that tells us nothing (ie losing those drones after 20 hours of flying not horrible, losing them after 3 hours kinda crappy).

How many drones did you lose prior to the changes?


Look at it this way, I've spent 3 hours on world's collide, before the change i may lose one drone, after the change i just lost 6 drones, and after 3 bhours i got pissed off took a hammer and started beating the **** out of my modem because i trained 3 years to perfect my drones mand defensive skills, now ccp is trying to force me to give up my drone boats, CCP can kiss my ass all the way to the unsub button


If you were loosing drones before the patch.. you should probably not be undocking now...
Mund Richard
#25 - 2012-12-13 19:21:44 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
If you were loosing drones before the patch.. you should probably not be undocking now...

Curiously, I might have lost more drones while dualboxing before this expansion.
Now I know they are dead if I don't pay attention to them as well, so I do.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-13 19:36:01 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:


[Chorus]
I can't feel the way I did before
Don't turn your back on me
I won't be ignored
Time won't heal this damage anymore
Don't turn your back on me I won't be ignored


Ah yes, Linkin Park...

Now
Hear me out now
You're gonna listen to me, like it or not
Right now
Hear me out now
You're gonna listen to me, like it or not
Right now

Also applies apparently.
Ginger Barbarella
#27 - 2012-12-13 19:44:14 UTC
Since my first post here appears to have been deleted, I'll re-post for a kinder, gentler EveO:

Hey OP, lrn2eve. Roll

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-13 20:07:19 UTC
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-12-13 20:18:45 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up


Buddy, i fly a gila which uses nothing but drones as offense, i've lost 2 heavy drones, 1 light and 1 medium since the AI change.

"Gaming God" you ****** up.



Thank you for useless statistics. Without knowing the other details that tells us nothing (ie losing those drones after 20 hours of flying not horrible, losing them after 3 hours kinda crappy).

How many drones did you lose prior to the changes?


Look at it this way, I've spent 3 hours on world's collide, before the change i may lose one drone, after the change i just lost 6 drones, and after 3 bhours i got pissed off took a hammer and started beating the **** out of my modem because i trained 3 years to perfect my drones mand defensive skills, now ccp is trying to force me to give up my drone boats, CCP can kiss my ass all the way to the unsub button


If you truly feel like smashing your modem due to a game, you should be playing a different game. So, it sounds like 'unsub' is the proper solution to your very difficult problem.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-12-13 21:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
you win some, you lose some

be sure to get nice and full aggro before releasing your drones, that might help. seems to work for me.

http://i.imgur.com/Uhcv2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WKCdZ.jpg

ABOUT WORLDS CORRIDE

I release light drones, and they chew through about half the npc's from near to far and "meet" me at the battleship targets (while I work my way down with guns, from largest to smallest)

room 2 finishes in 3 minutes, sometimes less.

don't give up on drones. they're ammo-free, cap-free, TARGETING-free dps

when you have a buddy, Guard->buddy is awesome (if all of you are jammed)

Assist->buddy makes gang mates feel uber.

you're GOING to lose drones.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Mund Richard
#31 - 2012-12-13 22:00:27 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
you're GOING to lose drones.
I'd say I refuse to, but I did lose one so far.
Though I suppose I did lose drone before patch as well, so not that much changed, has it?

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Kery Nysell
#32 - 2012-12-13 22:46:00 UTC
Oh my, FAIL OP Troll is FAIL ...

After being told, repeatedly, HOW to do it in his other thread, he comes whining some more ...

BTW, I lost a grand total of ONE Mining drone while AFK mining with my second account, it's not the end of the world, there are ways to adapt, even with drone boats ...

I'm currently doing lvl 2 combat missions with an Algos, full of Frigates those are, and I don't loose my drones ... am I *that* good ?

Nah, can't be only me ...

...
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2012-12-13 23:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I have "return to drone bay" keybind as SHIFT+R... I don't remember if that was a default shortcut.

you absolutely need to recall sentries frequently, to break lock... because if you leave them out, the NPC's will eat them.

but you can't recall mobile drones between targets like that, because they travel tens of km out from you. so you lose mobile drones frequently.

as for medium drones: because they're slower than light drones, I won't put mediums on the field if there are any npc cruisers alive. you're just asking for it.

and heavies? they're slow, you should use sentries instead. instant damage, instant recall.

who the hell uses heavies, anyway. when mediums are so much faster and have the combat drone operation skill damage bonus that heavies do not, they're a better idea.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-12-13 23:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Kery Nysell wrote:
Oh my, FAIL OP Troll is FAIL ...

After being told, repeatedly, HOW to do it in his other thread, he comes whining some more ...

BTW, I lost a grand total of ONE Mining drone while AFK mining with my second account, it's not the end of the world, there are ways to adapt, even with drone boats ...

I'm currently doing lvl 2 combat missions with an Algos, full of Frigates those are, and I don't loose my drones ... am I *that* good ?

Nah, can't be only me ...

Algos is closer in sig radius to the frigates and I'd imagine would have an easier time holding aggro that a BS with a significantly larger sig. Also dealing with elite frigs, which do more damage and are more resilient than just about anything in lvl 2's, exasperates the issue.

Alt with 266k in drones running the SOE epic arc isn't having issues but the main in a marauder running lvl 4's with 6m drone SP is. Not sure what else to say.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-14 00:16:07 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Oh my, FAIL OP Troll is FAIL ...

After being told, repeatedly, HOW to do it in his other thread, he comes whining some more ...

BTW, I lost a grand total of ONE Mining drone while AFK mining with my second account, it's not the end of the world, there are ways to adapt, even with drone boats ...

I'm currently doing lvl 2 combat missions with an Algos, full of Frigates those are, and I don't loose my drones ... am I *that* good ?

Nah, can't be only me ...

Algos is closer in sig radius to the frigates and I'd imagine would have an easier time holding aggro that a BS with a significantly larger sig. Also dealing with elite frigs, which do more damage and are more resilient than just about anything in lvl 2's, exasperates the issue.

Alt with 266k in drones running the SOE epic arc isn't having issues but the main in a marauder running lvl 4's with 6m drone SP is. Not sure what else to say.


Speaking of which:

We need a Marauder drone boat. 100% increase in drone damage.

K thx.
Jackson Steely
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-12-14 00:28:20 UTC
Anneliese Pollard wrote:


Speaking of which:

We need a Marauder drone boat. 100% increase in drone damage.

K thx.



This miiiight have been Ok pre DDA's now the projected damage would be OP.
Mund Richard
#37 - 2012-12-14 00:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Rain6637 wrote:
who the hell uses heavies, anyway. when mediums are so much faster and have the combat drone operation skill damage bonus that heavies do not, they're a better idea.

There was one horrible serpentis mission, I remember not the name, but the time was 5h16m, oh it was The Score...
3 rooms, 60 km travel time to each, only time I considered using both afterburner and heavy drones.
Did it once, decided to just decline it ever after.
Once more I had to do it a few months later, because I mixed it up with another, and accepted.
Jackson Steely wrote:
Anneliese Pollard wrote:
Speaking of which:
We need a Marauder drone boat. 100% increase in drone damage.
K thx.
This miiiight have been Ok pre DDA's now the projected damage would be OP.
Nop!
We totally need it! Roll

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-12-14 01:34:07 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
who the hell uses heavies, anyway. when mediums are so much faster and have the combat drone operation skill damage bonus that heavies do not, they're a better idea.

There was one horrible serpentis mission, I remember not the name, but the time was 5h16m, oh it was The Score...
3 rooms, 60 km travel time to each, only time I considered using both afterburner and heavy drones.
Did it once, decided to just decline it ever after.
Once more I had to do it a few months later, because I mixed it up with another, and accepted.
Jackson Steely wrote:
Anneliese Pollard wrote:
Speaking of which:
We need a Marauder drone boat. 100% increase in drone damage.
K thx.
This miiiight have been Ok pre DDA's now the projected damage would be OP.
Nop!
We totally need it! Roll


I made a new post for that.
Gah'Matar
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#39 - 2012-12-14 19:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gah'Matar
HTFU.

Use sentries.

Monitor the health of the drones.

Setup shortcuts.

Yes, that means you can't trigger all the spawn, get all the agro on your uber tank and let the drones mop it out while you wash the bathroom. Tough.

EDIT: I run 8/10s and 10/10s with an ishtar. I lost 2 small drones early on before I caught on. Nothing since. Of course since it's in hostile 0.0, I actually sit in front of the computer and look at dscan/drone health every few minutes. Oh, I also fit a small remote armor rep to my ishtar so I can rep my sentries if they get to armor before I recall them.
Jabir ibn Abd-Allah
Quantam Dynamic Eternal Alchemy
#40 - 2012-12-16 10:23:08 UTC
Your really complaining about the lost of a drone or two?

They are ammo. Consider them the same and move on.