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Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-12-13 17:37:38 UTC
Mag's wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree. You believe this is an easy fix, I, CCP and many others do not.

CCP knows it's an easy fix, and that there are already a dozen other ways to get the same info (just like you apparently know as well, since you have no response to it). They CODED all those other ways of getting info, and they obviously would know full well how effective they would be at replacing local, just with higher difficulty.

The issue is entirely what caliph here pointed out:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

CCP knows full well how bad local is screwing up EVE. What they don't know/agree on is how many players want a real visceral EVE as opposed to a nanny gamestate and how much that will affect their bottom line.


They simply don't know how many people actually want a game that actually allows real pvp in the pvp zone, vs. how many people are dead set on being nullbears at heart. And sadly, I can't say I do, either.

The gameplay decision is obvious. The business decision is not necessarily that obviouis.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#102 - 2012-12-13 17:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Crimeo Khamsi wrote:
Mag's wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree. You believe this is an easy fix, I, CCP and many others do not.

CCP knows it's an easy fix, and that there are already a dozen other ways to get the same info (just like you apparently know as well, since you have no response to it). They CODED all those other ways of getting info, and they obviously would know full well how effective they would be at replacing local, just with higher difficulty.

The issue is entirely what caliph here pointed out:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

CCP knows full well how bad local is screwing up EVE. What they don't know/agree on is how many players want a real visceral EVE as opposed to a nanny gamestate and how much that will affect their bottom line.


They simply don't know how many people actually want a game that actually allows real pvp in the pvp zone, vs. how many people are dead set on being nullbears at heart. And sadly, I can't say I do, either.

The gameplay decision is obvious. The business decision is not necessarily that obviouis.
I guess agreeing to disagree, just wasn't good enough. Roll

Knowing something is bad and wanting it to go, doesn't equate to it being an easy fix. Or that CCP think it's an easy fix. They have actually wanted to remove local for years, I guess they just don't like easy fixes then. Blink

Also, I see you again attempted to attribute something to me, that I didn't actually say. Nice job.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2012-12-13 18:12:13 UTC

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Also, I see you again attempted to attribute something to me, that I didn't actually say. Nice job.

What are you on about? That's a direct quote from you from one page back.
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
#104 - 2012-12-13 18:24:35 UTC
Crimeo Khamsi wrote:
The gameplay decision is obvious. The business decision is not necessarily that obviouis.


But it can be. All is needed is vision and courage. I remember reading an interesting quote in Jim Collins`s Good To Great book. It was something like this:

"companies that focus only at making money, on the long run, end up not making any."
Mag's
Azn Empire
#105 - 2012-12-13 18:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Crimeo Khamsi wrote:

Quote:
Also, I see you again attempted to attribute something to me, that I didn't actually say. Nice job.

What are you on about? That's a direct quote from you from one page back.
I said you attempted to attribute something, not about anything you quoted.

Crimeo Khamsi wrote:
CCP knows it's an easy fix, and that there are already a dozen other ways to get the same info (just like you apparently know as well, since you have no response to it).

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.