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zzlep Alduin
Alveare Artifex
#1 - 2012-12-13 10:31:31 UTC
the price of PI and Moon Minerials climbing whilst advanced material are decreasing... Manipulation going on?
Pretty GuyYeah
#2 - 2012-12-13 10:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pretty GuyYeah
EVE is dying :3 I haven't seen much to it, I stopped after people started to sell ships for less cost than the materials..

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Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-13 10:38:40 UTC
Inflation and manipulation are two very different things.

But just because prices are changing it could just be down to supply and demand.

Only study of the market can tell you for sure.
A Masked Man
Discreet Services
#4 - 2012-12-13 11:07:27 UTC
Maybe somebody is building a few caldari fuel blocks because ice miners are under siege?
Bump Truck
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-13 11:08:33 UTC


Perhaps: When an expansion comes out a lot of players log in who usually don't. They want to try the new ships and modules so they build a load of stuff. Also the regular players build a lot of things to supply these occasional players. CCP Fozzie commented in the NEO that he made a lot of his money, when he played, trading around expansions.

However not many people are going to think "sweet, a new expansion, let's go and do some serious mining! Man I should also set up a big PI chain that'll take weeks to pay off".

So the price of advanced goods falls but basic goods, with increased demand and stable supply, rises.

Perihelion Olenard
#6 - 2012-12-13 12:39:38 UTC
It's costing over 50 mil to buy and properly fit a cruiser. The economy is quite terrible.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#7 - 2012-12-13 13:00:02 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
It's costing over 50 mil to buy and properly fit a cruiser. The economy is quite terrible.


Depends what perspective you have. I remember when it took a few months to grind the cash to buy a cruiser.. P

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Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#8 - 2012-12-13 16:00:23 UTC
Inflation has been a huge problem in eve for the past few years, as more and more isk faucets are introduced with no added isk sinks. FW buffs, Incursions, LP, Sov Ratting, Plex selling, etc. All of it floods the market with more isk, and it never really finds a way out of the market, especially in the amounts that it comes in. Sure there are small things like cspa and broker charges, but those are meaningless when I can dual box ratting in sov space and make 200mil an hour, or go run an Incursion and do the same thing, or just orbit an FW plex and farm LP.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2012-12-13 17:45:34 UTC
We havent had a 'Things cost too much' thread in a while, lets see how this one ends.

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-13 17:53:31 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
We havent had a 'Things cost too much' thread in a while, lets see how this one ends.


It's probably our fault.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-12-13 17:55:02 UTC
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Perihelion Olenard
#12 - 2012-12-13 18:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Doing level 4s I won't be able to afford losing anything but frigs or destroyers in PvP. It just doesn't pay enough anymore. I'm awfully sick of doing them, too. I really regret selling my old character as now I don't have the SP needed to join a decent corporation.
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Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-12-13 18:21:38 UTC
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Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2012-12-13 18:32:06 UTC
Korinne wrote:
Inflation has been a huge problem in eve for the past few years, as more and more isk faucets are introduced with no added isk sinks. FW buffs, Incursions, LP, Sov Ratting, Plex selling, etc. All of it floods the market with more isk, and it never really finds a way out of the market, especially in the amounts that it comes in. Sure there are small things like cspa and broker charges, but those are meaningless when I can dual box ratting in sov space and make 200mil an hour, or go run an Incursion and do the same thing, or just orbit an FW plex and farm LP.


Transfer of isk between players through the market is a sink. So LP is a sink, not a faucet.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-13 21:27:02 UTC
zzlep Alduin wrote:
the price of PI and Moon Minerials climbing whilst advanced material are decreasing... Manipulation going on?


Barge changes = more ice.
More ice = cheaper fuel prices
Cheaper fuel prices = more POS's setup
More POS's = more moon mining
More moon mining = cheaper moon materials.

PI has come up in price because of the demand on POS control towers and equipment as well as for the demand of PI related fuel blocks. The market is all ready at a critical point where PI prices have been climbing very quickly while supply is dwindling. There were several times last week where there were simply no listings for some P1 materials because they were totally bought up. For a while there was so much PI available that it has taken this long for the prices to catch up to demand. Now there is simply more demand then then is PI available.

PI prices will continue to rise since there is the silly notion that there is little to no profit in PI. So expect fuel blocks to go up in value and buy up moon mats now before people are forced to start taking down un-profitable towers.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2012-12-13 23:43:59 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:


PI prices will continue to rise since there is the silly notion that there is little to no profit in PI. So expect fuel blocks to go up in value and buy up moon mats now before people are forced to start taking down un-profitable towers.


I love that silly notion, it's why my second best performing public fund was PIBSK and I was trading PI under the noses of many.

Even now, I still am in the PI market for some items.

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zzlep Alduin
Alveare Artifex
#17 - 2012-12-14 00:16:11 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
zzlep Alduin wrote:
the price of PI and Moon Minerials climbing whilst advanced material are decreasing... Manipulation going on?


Barge changes = more ice.
More ice = cheaper fuel prices
Cheaper fuel prices = more POS's setup
More POS's = more moon mining
More moon mining = cheaper moon materials.

PI has come up in price because of the demand on POS control towers and equipment as well as for the demand of PI related fuel blocks. The market is all ready at a critical point where PI prices have been climbing very quickly while supply is dwindling. There were several times last week where there were simply no listings for some P1 materials because they were totally bought up. For a while there was so much PI available that it has taken this long for the prices to catch up to demand. Now there is simply more demand then then is PI available.

PI prices will continue to rise since there is the silly notion that there is little to no profit in PI. So expect fuel blocks to go up in value and buy up moon mats now before people are forced to start taking down un-profitable towers.


i dont agree the demand looks stable on a lot of materials.
Rogue Mennace
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-12-14 00:40:29 UTC
Korinne wrote:
FW buffs, Incursions, LP, Sov Ratting, Plex selling, etc..


You do realise that out of that list only Incursions and ratting are ISK faucets right?
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#19 - 2012-12-15 03:02:28 UTC
Korinne wrote:
Inflation has been a huge problem in eve for the past few years, as more and more isk faucets are introduced with no added isk sinks. FW buffs, Incursions, LP, Sov Ratting, Plex selling, etc. All of it floods the market with more isk, and it never really finds a way out of the market, especially in the amounts that it comes in. Sure there are small things like cspa and broker charges, but those are meaningless when I can dual box ratting in sov space and make 200mil an hour, or go run an Incursion and do the same thing, or just orbit an FW plex and farm LP.


How about learning something about Faction Warfare before commenting? Faction Warfare is an extremely LARGE ISK SINK. The only way we make ISK is by using our own ISK + LP to buy faction items which we buy on the market. This means that when we buy said items from faction store - we are getting rid of ISK out of the system.

So yes - Faction Warfare can make a lot of ISK. But it does not create ISK, learn mechanics.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#20 - 2012-12-15 03:04:04 UTC
zzlep Alduin wrote:
the price of PI and Moon Minerials climbing whilst advanced material are decreasing... Manipulation going on?


Should probably also account to a higher local activity in EvE and higher investment into tech two manufacturing as well as hull building due to the new patch. Patches on any game that changes an item will usually always effect the economy.