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NATWO vs W-arsaw Pact

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Deminision
Voidlords
#181 - 2012-12-13 16:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Deminision
You batphoned fair enough, we were a stronger force than yours fair enough. But you guys are getting on your high horse for something a group of other alliances just about did for you.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#182 - 2012-12-13 16:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Deminision wrote:
You batphoned fair enough, we were a stronger force than yours fair enough. But you guys are getting on your high horse for something a group of other alliances just about did for you.


I think you're just mad your bhaal only lasted a minute :3

Also, are you trying to say we shouldn't be gloating because we won, using the same tactic you tried, but better?

Also Also, I thought we were tired of this thread, and we're all going to hold hands and be friends now?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-12-13 17:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
Deminision wrote:
You batphoned fair enough, we were a stronger force than yours fair enough. But you guys are getting on your high horse for something a group of other alliances just about did for you.



I think you need to stop looking to offload the blame on some other entity. The invasion was lost by the invaders, on Friday night, some 24 hours before the epic battle, Aquila Inc opened up into HDKX wormhole. We got lucky but weren't prepared so we did not bring in as much as we wanted to. However, an hour later Hard Knocks had wormhole control. In fact they opened into a chain that was connected to Volta, E-R, BLOOM., the other corps in VoC. However, no one was online and Hard Knocks did not receive any further reinforcement on Friday.

That is besides the point, what I am trying to illustrate here is that you did no establish round the clock wormhole control. You did not even try to use this moment to bring a fight to Hard Knock, the moment when they had their capitals on wormhole control duty but had a very limited subcap support. I do not presume to teach you how to do w-space invasions and evictions but I am sure that round the clock wormhole control is crucial. In fact it got even worse then that, on the very same Friday night HDKX reinforced both of your staging towers, talk about missing a chance to catch them.

There were more mistakes made by the invaders, like not engaging HDKX right on SSC incoming WH, but that is all hindsight. What I am trying to say here is that Hard Knocks gave you plenty of opportunities to use your superior forces. Plenty. I am not sure why you are not aware of these opportunities, or why your leadership did no capitalize on them. However, blaming them for not bringing a fair fight, is ludicrous. HDKX guys spent a good 40 hours out of that 48 hour invasion online, while your forces took a good night sleep HDKX exposed their force to gain an advantage, it did not work out but they still did it. When you had the numerical advantage in your prime TZ, Hard Knocks provided valuable and constant intel on the make up of your forces, while other alliances were working on an opening.

So in the end the blame lies solely on the invader. You were too chill, too relaxed in your efforts. I am not sure if it was hubris or lack of respect for your opponent but you decided on a good night sleep instead of constant hole control. When you could have engaged right away as SSC opened, you decided to wait and in the end missed a critical opportunity. Hard Knocks on the other hand did everything right, they bided their time, they tried to establish hole control when your force was disinterested. They reached out diplomatically, they provided intel and put in actual time and effort into home defense. You may not like them, you may not like their trash talk in local, but you need to realize that this victory, this defense of their home system is well deserved. I tip my hat to them.
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#184 - 2012-12-13 17:42:55 UTC
Deminision wrote:
You batphoned fair enough, we were a stronger force than yours fair enough. But you guys are getting on your high horse for something a group of other alliances just about did for you.


Speaking personally, in the wake of the fight, NoHo has been the only invading group that I've had even a shred of respect for. Stories swapped, GFs exchanged, mutual respect, no real whining or bullshit up till now (unlike certain other parties). You seemed like standup guys. Please don't ruin this :(
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2012-12-14 00:04:25 UTC
This thread still going? You all need to hug this out and move along now.... The only people that should be mad now are the noobs like me that went afk at the wrong time :(

Start planning for your next epic battle and forget whats done is done.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#186 - 2012-12-14 01:55:49 UTC
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