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Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#21 - 2012-12-13 09:53:58 UTC
Use light drones or get some webs, a painter and rigor rigs.

Or quit and give me your stuff.

My drones handled this just fine.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#22 - 2012-12-13 09:56:06 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Jeesus, dude, maybe you just shouldn't do L4s if you cannot finish so simple mission. It's not GM's or nobody else's fault you simply suck at flying and using your ship.



Its not about my ship its all about my drones !!!

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My drones can not kil the ships the need to kil becouse my cruise launchers can hit them !!! Are you so ******* stoopit to understand that ?


Yep, I'm stupid but fortunately my Mach is smart enough to do missions by itself.

You are 4 months old toon, you lack drones skills and you have more rage than game knowledge. Chill da f**k down and move on to another mission instead of crying all over forums because those bad rats killed few of your drones.

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LordSpock
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-13 09:56:37 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
LordSpock wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Jeesus, dude, maybe you just shouldn't do L4s if you cannot finish so simple mission. It's not GM's or nobody else's fault you simply suck at flying and using your ship.



Its not about my ship its all about my drones !!!

************


How are your drone support skills? And did you try minmatar drones? Wingmans are Angel ships and those are vulnerable to explosive damage iirc. Try to refit your ship for that mission with nothing but T2 warriors. Or T1 if you are uncertain and don't want to lose too much isk.
Did you try targetpainters? How is your guided missilie precision skill? What rigs did you fit? Do you have any implants that help your missiles explosion radius and explsoion velocity?

There are so many different things to consider. And if you seriously think that when flying a CNR it's all about the drones, yeah maybe you should indeed just forget about missions.



I play this game over the 7 years and i know for sure that Caldari rase needs drones


So you have been playing this game for 7 years, and can't finish a mission?
And I didn't say anything about Caldari not needing drones. You claimed that it is all about the drones, which is not the same as: "Drones are very usefull in finishing the mission faster."
I don't use drones on my Tengu by the way which is also Caldari.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-13 11:39:31 UTC
Silence the informant lv4 has become a PITA for a boat that relies on drones to deal with NPC frigates. All frigs in that mission web and there are lots of them so once one of your drones get aggroed, it gets webbed to death and there is virtually no chance for it to make it to the drone bay. Actually I did manage to clear the 2nd room with a CNR a few days ago sacrificing one drone each time I deploy them. It cost me 8 Hob IIs to finish the room. No fun :(

I'm getting used to the new npc mechanic now and I think I can do better next time (with the help of web and TP, frigs go down to cruise missiles pretty nicely) but ... I'll probably just decline it. It's not worth the effort XD
Gaming God
Gaming God Corporation
#25 - 2012-12-13 11:42:14 UTC
Texty wrote:
Silence the informant lv4 has become a PITA for a boat that relies on drones to deal with NPC frigates. All frigs in that mission web and there are lots of them so once one of your drones get aggroed, it gets webbed to death and there is virtually no chance for it to make it to the drone bay. Actually I did manage to clear the 2nd room with a CNR a few days ago sacrificing one drone each time I deploy them. It cost me 8 Hob IIs to finish the room. No fun :(

I'm getting used to the new npc mechanic now and I think I can do better next time (with the help of web and TP, frigs go down to cruise missiles pretty nicely) but ... I'll probably just decline it. It's not worth the effort XD


Finaly some one that knows wat i am talking about .

We wil skip the mission :)
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-13 12:06:12 UTC
Sentry drones + micro jump drive, Dual painter HAM Tengu, or HML Nighthawk + precision missiles.

Three solutions in less than one line.
Jackson Steely
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-12-13 12:44:40 UTC
Zaq Phelps wrote:
Sentry drones + micro jump drive, Dual painter HAM Tengu, or HML Nighthawk + precision missiles.

Three solutions in less than one line.



To add to that since he's apparently using a CNR, 3 rigors and 2 TP's will 1 or 2 shot both the merc frigs and the spider drones using precision CM's. OP these are things that should be fitted to that CNR anyways, if you can't use precision just use T1 ammo against them. If you can't sacrifice the mids for 1 or 2 TP's and the rigs for rigors go back to doing LVL 3's until you can.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-13 12:55:48 UTC
0/10

If you are going to go for the "english isn't my first language, Nigerian scam email style sentences" kind of troll, you need to be consistent and not slip back and forth between that and perfectly spelled and completed sentences.

You are trying too hard.


Oh and use light drones.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#29 - 2012-12-13 13:08:52 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?

Petition it that you're stuck in the mission.
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-12-13 13:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: starbelt stacy
Gaming God wrote:
Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?



you should just let the mission expire, go buy plex and move to 0.0 like the staff @ CCP want you to do. Shocked

this was the aim all the time from the drone AI update ... to stop people like yourself and me from doing what you like to do in EvE... amazing isnt it? Roll


you have to become a E-Peen stroker and move to 0.0 to take part in blob wars and have fun trying to make any decent isk there where you will be blobbed / griefed as soon as you try and rat or make some iskies. Straight

the games fooked for mission runners... this is how ccp want it.... did i mention you could buy PLEX? Roll


talk with your wallet man, its the only way CCP will stop destroying legit mission runners like yourself.

p.s. for the people telling him to fit this and that... dont be so fecking daft man he will gimp his tank to a point it isnt even worthwhile attempting most level 4's, i fly CNR myself and missions are just Bullshoot now, and it doesnt even tank that well either.
Astara Lemmont
Waking Dreams
#31 - 2012-12-13 14:01:28 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?


Please tell me this guy is trolling.
Jackson Steely
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-12-13 14:03:25 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?



you should just let the mission expire, go buy plex and move to 0.0 like the staff @ CCP want you to do. Shocked

this was the aim all the time from the drone AI update ... to stop people like yourself and me from doing what you like to do in EvE... amazing isnt it? Roll


you have to become a E-Peen stroker and move to 0.0 to take part in blob wars and have fun trying to make any decent isk there where you will be blobbed / griefed as soon as you try and rat or make some iskies. Straight

the games fooked for mission runners... this is how ccp want it.... did i mention you could buy PLEX? Roll


talk with your wallet man, its the only way CCP will stop destroying legit mission runners like yourself.

p.s. for the people telling him to fit this and that... dont be so fecking daft man he will gimp his tank to a point it isnt even worthwhile attempting most level 4's, i fly CNR myself and missions are just Bullshoot now, and it doesnt even tank that well either.



Really? 07' char having a hard time with lvl4 missions? You should be ashamed of yourself.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-13 14:10:53 UTC
I've done this mission probably 3-4 times since the patch, and 1 time after the agro fix.

A micro jump drive might be of benefit for you to use here. It's pretty effective for escape, as well as using it to maintain range on the NPCs you're fighting. Aside of that, I handled this the same way I've been handling all the missions since the patch.

1) Snipe frigates if I can, ignore them if they're on top of me
2) Take out cruisers, BCs, BSes
3) After the heavy hitters are down, release lights to finish the frigates

Usually, when I ignore the ones on top of me (yes a risk due to web/scram), they stay targeted to me for so long that the almost never switch. Because they're so close to you, you should not have a problem recalling them if they get targeted either.

That's just what works for me - might not work for you. Either way, you have options I feel can be explored.

Good luck.
LordSpock
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-12-13 14:32:16 UTC
Anneliese Pollard wrote:
I've done this mission probably 3-4 times since the patch, and 1 time after the agro fix.

A micro jump drive might be of benefit for you to use here. It's pretty effective for escape, as well as using it to maintain range on the NPCs you're fighting. Aside of that, I handled this the same way I've been handling all the missions since the patch.

1) Snipe frigates if I can, ignore them if they're on top of me
2) Take out cruisers, BCs, BSes
3) After the heavy hitters are down, release lights to finish the frigates

Usually, when I ignore the ones on top of me (yes a risk due to web/scram), they stay targeted to me for so long that the almost never switch. Because they're so close to you, you should not have a problem recalling them if they get targeted either.

That's just what works for me - might not work for you. Either way, you have options I feel can be explored.

Good luck.


^^ this too

Kill frigs (with your guns/missiles) that pose a threat as long as they are far away. Don't go rushing slowpoke hammerheads out into a certain death when you know they need a long way to travle back once you decided they are being agro'ed too hard.

Also need to confirm this more as I only noticed it once, but:"
I threw out drones to frigs (serp or gallente not sure) only to think about the aggro they need to withstand. I pulled them in right away, threw them out again as I was scrambled and noticed they didn't get any aggro. Frig killed, happy missioning afterwards.

Anyone else noticed this sequence or was it just coincidence? Drones out-aggro-drones in-drones out - no more aggro?
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-13 14:33:41 UTC
Jackson Steely wrote:



Really? 07' char having a hard time with lvl4 missions? You should be ashamed of yourself.



missions are fooked now i dont even bother with them anymore...

and you should be ashamed of yourself for making a waffle post with nothing related to the OP at all... but thats just how you roll isnt it? RollRoll
Jackson Steely
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-12-13 14:47:51 UTC
starbelt stacy wrote:
Jackson Steely wrote:



Really? 07' char having a hard time with lvl4 missions? You should be ashamed of yourself.



missions are fooked now i dont even bother with them anymore...

and you should be ashamed of yourself for making a waffle post with nothing related to the OP at all... but thats just how you roll isnt it? RollRoll



Missions are fine, haven't had one I haven't been able to complete yet. Only thing that has changed are the loadouts for the ships im using, very minor changes.

Myself and others have already told OP how he can adjust to missions.
Kery Nysell
#37 - 2012-12-13 15:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kery Nysell
Gaming God eh ?

Ok, first off, PRE-patch, using medium slow drones for Frigate-killing was a very, very bad idea ...

Post-patch, the NPC frigates will aggro your drones, always, ever. That's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Solution, on a CNR ?

3 Rigor Rigs and Precision cruise missiles to smash the frigs ... one volley for the non-elite, up to three for the elites ... or ignore the frigs and concentrate on the heavy hitters ... after all, those 5-10 damage per frig should'nt kill your CNR ...

Now, what you CAN use your drones for, AFTER you've cleaned those pesky gnats that are Frigates, is to sic your Medium drones on the Cruisers while you deal with the Battlecruisers/Battleships with your Fury cruises ...

If your skills (ingame and IRL) aren't up to that, feel free to contract me your CNR and leave the game ...

...
Gaming God
Gaming God Corporation
#38 - 2012-12-13 16:18:21 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Gaming God eh ?

Ok, first off, PRE-patch, using medium slow drones for Frigate-killing was a very, very bad idea ...

Post-patch, the NPC frigates will aggro your drones, always, ever. That's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Solution, on a CNR ?

3 Rigor Rigs and Precision cruise missiles to smash the frigs ... one volley for the non-elite, up to three for the elites ... or ignore the frigs and concentrate on the heavy hitters ... after all, those 5-10 damage per frig should'nt kill your CNR ...

Now, what you CAN use your drones for, AFTER you've cleaned those pesky gnats that are Frigates, is to sic your Medium drones on the Cruisers while you deal with the Battlecruisers/Battleships with your Fury cruises ...

If your skills (ingame and IRL) aren't up to that, feel free to contract me your CNR and leave the game ...


I wil try to use the Precision cruise missiles instead of the extra DPS cruise . Drones just dont work anymore !
Shut up
Uranium Moon
#39 - 2012-12-13 16:40:40 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Kery Nysell wrote:
Gaming God eh ?

Ok, first off, PRE-patch, using medium slow drones for Frigate-killing was a very, very bad idea ...

Post-patch, the NPC frigates will aggro your drones, always, ever. That's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Solution, on a CNR ?

3 Rigor Rigs and Precision cruise missiles to smash the frigs ... one volley for the non-elite, up to three for the elites ... or ignore the frigs and concentrate on the heavy hitters ... after all, those 5-10 damage per frig should'nt kill your CNR ...

Now, what you CAN use your drones for, AFTER you've cleaned those pesky gnats that are Frigates, is to sic your Medium drones on the Cruisers while you deal with the Battlecruisers/Battleships with your Fury cruises ...

If your skills (ingame and IRL) aren't up to that, feel free to contract me your CNR and leave the game ...


I wil try to use the Precision cruise missiles instead of the extra DPS cruise . Drones just dont work anymore !



Drones work just fine. I wait until the frigs are on me at close range then launch my lights and let them orbit my ship. When I see the frigs turn yellow to me that means they are on my drones and I pull them back to the bay. Wait for the frigs to turn red to me again and then release the hounds of war upon their punk a$$es. They rarely re target my drones and I can leave them out to finish all the frigs while I deal with the heavies. Just be sure to bring them back in before the next wave targets them, but do the mission right and that won't be a problem.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-12-13 17:15:41 UTC
LordSpock wrote:
^^ this too

Kill frigs (with your guns/missiles) that pose a threat as long as they are far away. Don't go rushing slowpoke hammerheads out into a certain death when you know they need a long way to travle back once you decided they are being agro'ed too hard.

Also need to confirm this more as I only noticed it once, but:"
I threw out drones to frigs (serp or gallente not sure) only to think about the aggro they need to withstand. I pulled them in right away, threw them out again as I was scrambled and noticed they didn't get any aggro. Frig killed, happy missioning afterwards.

Anyone else noticed this sequence or was it just coincidence? Drones out-aggro-drones in-drones out - no more aggro?


I've heard this, but have not had success with it. If I put any drones out too soon, they get targeted.

I hate to say it, but it reminds me of WoW in a way. Your tank goes in, establishes sufficient threat, and then the damage dealers go to town.

What's even more interesting is that if I release the drones right away in a mission I almost immediately see them start to take damage, including sentries. If the BSes are within optimal and they target a single sentry (which I've seen them do), the alpha 1-shots them.

I've never done wormholes before, so I don't know what to truly expect from a Sleeper AI.