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Why do people mine? Seriously.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#141 - 2012-11-28 18:44:58 UTC
Because I don't have time to kill people or mission or even trade these days.

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Dave stark
#142 - 2012-11-28 18:50:57 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice.

Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour.

OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game.

But you can mine ice continuously with no interaction, and only have to empty your cargohold once in a while (used to be 20 minutes for my Macks to fill, but new Retrievers & Macks carry about 3 times more).


unless you're totally afk, mining ore is easily more profitable. 1 button click every 180 seconds or so for almost double the profit. just a simple alt+tab to change back to eve, restart your laser, and tab back to whatever you're doing outside of eve on your pc.
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#143 - 2012-11-28 20:15:07 UTC

And again we find ourselves upon the edge of that uneven precipice named, “why don't you play EVE my way?”

To answer:

I mine on several accounts, make ships, do PI, and all the other wonderful Nullbear stuff. I pvp on another account, not well, but with a great deal of enthusiasm when the need arises for home defense or I am just in the mood. I find both to be fun in different ways. Think of it this way, some days I'm keen for 2001 a space Odyssey; a slow immersive space simulation game. Some days I just want the explosions and bubble gum of Star Wars, i.e. small gang or blob pvp. Both have merit because I enjoy them.

Contrary to some popular belief not everyone in Eve is driven by ISK/hour. I know that is madness and we should immediately use the very appropriate argument of “would you work in real life for less than the maximum wage possible?” (the answer to this is surprisingly yes and many people do and are very happy for it). Some of us just like the space game and all the different components of it. The trend in video games appears to be moving toward immersive experiences. For some of us that is found in the quieter space empire part of eve; the building and gathering parts. We also tend to attract small gangs of pvp pilots who want to kill us, thus adding to the overall ecosystem.

If I can mine, tend to my little empire until the barbarians come, and chat with my friends on TS, so much the better. So can we please find a better use for forum space than the covert, I play eve better than you do, trolling?
Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-11-28 20:49:47 UTC
I mine for 2 reasons.

1) I do it while I am studying because I have to be sitting at my desk anyway and its an easy minimal effort way to earn isk. If you have to put as much effort into mining as OP claims you are clearly doing it wrong.

2) These days I really only mine ice and only to fuel POS's.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#145 - 2012-11-28 20:56:58 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:

We also tend to attract small gangs of pvp pilots who want to kill us, thus adding to the overall ecosystem.

If I can mine, tend to my little empire until the barbarians come, and chat with my friends on TS, so much the better.


Just wanted to quote this part. THIS, my good friends is a real EVE player someone who understands the game he's in and accepts it rather than running to daddy (ccp) expecrting him to make the bad people go away.

*Tips hat to Weiland*
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#146 - 2012-11-28 21:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Debra Tao wrote:
Digital Messiah wrote:


588*3
-------- = 13 hours and 37 minutes of mining a month. "13.363636 continued" for the curious minded folks.
(44*3)



Oh my god.

13.3636... hours converts into 13 hours 21 minutes and 49 seconds plus something negligeable.

actually...

13.363636 continuing is based on the decimal numbering system which is still going based on 100 minutes per hour.
Multiply 13.363636 by 100 to since this is assuming it's 100 mins/hr to get 1336.363636 continuing.
Now that we have the base amount of actual minutes, we divide by how many minutes there are in an hour.

1336.363636 / 60 = 22.272727

It would actually be 22.272727 continuing when converted over to a 60 minute format which converts to 22 hours 16 minutes and 48 seconds.

So after the first 22 hours or so mining a month to pay for 3 characters to just play the game, you can start making a profit.

Let's say there is on avg 30 days in a month. 22.28 / 30 = 0.7426666666666667 which converts to 44.56 minutes. So 45 minutes of mining a night at 44,000,000.00 isk per hour to just pay for 3 characters to play.

This is of course if you can make the 44 mil per hour needed and the base market value of plex stays at 588 mil as Digital Messiah used for base amounts.

Edit: Sorry, I'm really OCD about incomplete math being accepted as correct. It was correct until it was unfinished.

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Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-12-13 11:58:52 UTC
You are either a troll or someone really bad in maths.
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#148 - 2012-12-13 12:03:52 UTC
I am going on strike! I want better pay for my minerals sell out.

Sadly this doesn't work in eve :(
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#149 - 2012-12-13 12:06:03 UTC
Why do you ask questions that so many threads have given the answer to?

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
YuuKnow
The Scope
#150 - 2012-12-13 12:22:23 UTC
Roger Dew wrote:
Stuff


Because its casual. Duh.

yk
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-12-13 12:46:34 UTC
Agent Akari wrote:
I am going on strike! I want better pay for my minerals sell out.

Sadly this doesn't work in eve :(


Not unless you can get all the botminers to strike as well.

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Bohoba
#152 - 2012-12-13 13:03:02 UTC
I found this in a post somewhere here

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker




Nuff said for now lol
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#153 - 2012-12-13 14:22:10 UTC
My signature.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#154 - 2012-12-13 14:47:01 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
You are either a troll or someone really bad in maths.

If my math is wrong, please correct it.

Trolling was not my intent.

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Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-12-13 14:53:07 UTC
Roger Dew wrote:
blah blah

tldr; i'm doing it wrong.


Fixed.
Bohoba
#156 - 2012-12-13 14:55:48 UTC
Darenthul wrote:
My signature.



thanks :) put it in my bio seems fitting atm lol
TharOkha
0asis Group
#157 - 2012-12-13 15:01:33 UTC
Quote:
Why do people mine? Seriously.


I think its conspiracy. They know how everyone hates them. They are just trolling.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#158 - 2012-12-13 15:02:00 UTC
Roger Dew wrote:
if you're mining you're doing it wrong.


Obviously you know more about EvE than CCP does.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#159 - 2012-12-13 15:05:00 UTC
I already said it too many times, but... It's part of the game and I happen to enjoy it... it feels productive, it's intresting and it can be even thrilling, from time to time. *shrugs*

...talking about industry/trading in general, not just mining. If EVE would be combat only, I would have lost interrest years ago.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2012-12-13 15:11:15 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

actually...

13.363636 continuing is based on the decimal numbering system which is still going based on 100 minutes per hour.


Actually it's not. An hour doesn't magically change from 60 minutes to 100 minutes just because you toss a decimal in it.

13.5 hours is still 13 hours and 30 minutes.

So 13.36 repeating would just be 13 hours + (60 * .36363636...) minutes which is roughly 21 minutes 49 seconds.

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