EVE General Discussion

But EvE is unfair.

An exploit like bumping?

See, this is the kind of thinking that I find completely out of touch with reality, yet it occurs fairly often (at least within these forums.)

'Your type' (In quotations because it's such a generalizing term) has been claiming this for years and years. Yet It hasn't happened. The only things that have occurred are the recent buff to mining barge/exhumer HP and the ability of industrial characters to transfer; neither of which affects low or nullsec, and the latter of which.

Every. Single. Time. You spout this line that history has patently shown to be false.

Now, maybe you're just trolling, but some idiot out there is going to see your post and think it's the gospel truth. If it was, your prophecies of doom would have come true years ago.

Appeal to Emotion Fallacy

Appeals to emotion include appeals to fear, envy, hatred, pity, pride, and more. Though a valid argument may sometimes have an emotional aspect, one must be careful that emotion doesn't replace sensible logic.

All ship losses are not equal. 2 titans died in null in the last week. Those titans took more minerals to build than all the frigates that have ever been destroyed.

Beware of making sweeping generalisations from incomplete statistics.

It takes ~650 hours, with an Orca-bonused max-skilled max-yield Hulk with +5% yield hardwirings, to mine the veldspar needed to supply just the tritanium to build a single titan and this guy claims that hisec losses drive the economy?

Shame this ignores the other losses of Hi-sec, but yes compared to Null hi-sec probably looses less in mineral value, by how much who knows.

But this does illustrate the dangers of giving more Hi-sec mineral quantities to Null, as Hi-sec markets need the isk to maintain its self.

Over spawning these in Null would collapse the markets in hi-sec.

The most nullsec has mined relative to hisec is a third of the m^3, and that was during hulkageddon. You have to admit, though, that scordite being worth more than bistot and crokite is just dumb.

Markets are always correct.

Scordite is worth exactly as much as Megacyte, that is it's worth how much players are ready to pay for it.

Megacyte finding buyers only at around the 2.1 - 2.2k ISK range is because there's too much Megacyte being produced.

Why is megacyte being over produced? Because it can be overproduced.
Why can it be overproduced? Because it's whole production and supply chain allows for it to be cheaply produced.
Why it's allowed to be cheaply produced? Because the supply is there and abundant and the perceived risk at extracting it is low enough to depress the price.
What can you do is to either reduce the "abundant" part of the equation or raise the "perceived risk" part.

The conveniently forgotten consequence of making null sec safe is that prices tank down to hi sec levels, it's how it works everywhere including in real life. The fact that null sec is made safe with players effort appears to be completely ignored by the markets, which only look at results not at politics or "should be".

Thank you for an irrelevant commentary on the state of nullsec, but none of what you said is true. Nullsec mining is no safer than it ever was, unless you consider the flash in the local window a significant increase in safety (compared to changes preventing software from BACON from working)

What we /did/ lose was a huge faucet of nocxium, zydrine and most low-end minerals. There has been no significant increase in mining to compensate for the loss of drone compounds until the mining barge changes, which has only had a minor effect on low-end mineral prices (because of the fact that everyone is AFK mining ice which doesn't require anywhere near the effort of mining ore)

If what you say is true, then hedbergite and hemorphite, which can be found in some of the safest parts of nullsec, would also be worthless - they're not, however, and they're higher in isk/m3 than almost anything else.