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Da Grim Reaper
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-12 21:22:48 UTC
I saw in the frequently discussed ideas about letting BPC ME/PE affect T2 PBC ME/PE. What about the idea of being able to research a BPO directly so that the end result is a T2 BPO. If you fail you lose the BPO, but if you succeed you replace the T1 BPO with a T2 version. Either way you are losing a T1 BPO in the process, but you gain the chance to make a T2 BPO rather than BPC. The T2 BPC research can continue, the only change would be whether or not the result is a BPO or BPC depending on the imput blueprint.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#2 - 2012-12-12 21:49:03 UTC
or there could be a SLIM chance that there is an accident and the bpc comes out as a bpo :)

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-12-12 22:09:32 UTC
oh, hey, it's THIS thread again!

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2012-12-12 22:12:34 UTC
How about a slim chance you may decide to.do us and Darwin a favour and boil your testicles, thus removing yourself from the gene pool.

There are T2 BPO's out there and if anything they need to go. What exactly is your issue with invention? It works fine.

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Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-12-13 01:59:06 UTC
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There are T2 BPO's out there and if anything they need to go. What exactly is your issue with invention? It works fine.

Removing existing t2 BPOs and adding more t2 BPOs are both logical solutions to the problem of limited t2 BPOs being in privileged hands.

There's not really any reason why your preference is obvious/okay, yet the perfectly reasonable alternative solution (this thread) is brain-boilingly stupid...
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#6 - 2012-12-13 07:39:42 UTC
I wonder how long it takes for someone to start crying about their BPO investments again.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-13 07:44:18 UTC
If you actually read the Rules, then you would have seen that you need to search for active threads about the same topic Before starting a new one. Point being there is already an active thread about this topic.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-13 08:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Why do we need to look at an old thread? Posts then are antiquated and may no longer be relevant do to game changes. Not to mention its the goto response to bury an idea those with interest in not seeing the title come to fruition have. And if the old thread was brought back to front people would ask why the original poster is necroing a thread.


Fixing the t2 bpo monopoly is a great idea and the rest of us couldn't care less how much Akita or anyone else argues otherwise. I say that as respectfully as possible. I don't have an issue with Akita.


If the headache and nuance of invention is minimal then having everyone do it won't be a problem. If the t2 bpo isn't a market advantage then no one needs the t2 bpos. Of course we all know different. It needs to corrected.


Its absolutely pathetic that those with them suddenly gained an insurmountable market advantage by winning a lottery that was removed to the rest of the playerbase. And the cry about an investment, is similiar to a ship nerf that no one gets a refund on.


Just because you paid billions for something doesn't mean it was worth it or that it deserves special consideration.


Holding even one opens up an opportunity for scamming as well that no one but the few can take advantage of. Even legit investment opportunities (collateral) are opened to those with them that those without can not take advantage of.


Everyone should have the same opportunity has everyone else. And since everyone in EVE can not possibly all own a t2bpo the notion that buying one of the few that remains is as fraudulent and trollish as it comes.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-13 09:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Danika Princip wrote:
oh, hey, it's THIS thread again!

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Oh, look! Its this meme again. If they fix the issue there won't be a point in posting it again. Common sense, its fundamental.Roll
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#10 - 2012-12-13 10:12:07 UTC
Da Grim Reaper wrote:
What about the idea of being able to research a BPO directly so that the end result is a T2 BPO.


You do understand that that would eventually kill off the profession of invention entirely?

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-12-13 10:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
oh, hey, it's THIS thread again!

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Oh look its this meme again. If they fix the issue there won't be a point in posting it again. Common sense, its fundamental.Roll



no issues to fix.


Go to other forums sections....this is a dead horse. A dead horse where several t2 owners will tell you unless you have the few magical isk press t2 BPO's, invention makes more isk. I would be one of those people.


CCP gave you all a caveat, any new t2 items have no BPO's. Accept and move on. I did. I missed the lottery by many years. I saved up to buy a t2 bpo or 2 . They made me more isk when I sold them to someone who sucked more at determining ROI than I did when I ran my numbers.

Even more fun...I switched to non-t2 bpo only markets. grass ain't green there either. One time I had a string of luck with some BLOPS invents (75% success rate, so very little core or decryptor losses). Even with some liberal free mins thrown in (the good ole days of drone poop loot drops, I'd do buy 3 trit used to make the ship get the 4th one free kind of deals lol)....I was still getting isk warred like a mofo.

TL;DR t2 bpos can fix ME/PE, it doesn't fix the stupidity of 1000 other indy's who can suck at making spreadsheet give right numbers lol.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-13 12:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
@#11
Then it sounds as if you no longer need the t2bpo. Thank you for supporting the cause. If invention is so much better, then that's the obvious conclusion. The arguments were weak back then and still to this second are as remedial and biased as they ever were. The horse isn't dead by a longshot. It just that more pressing matters come to light with every new expansion. So no, you nor the other t2bpo holders & collaboraters won't be having the last word.