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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#21 - 2012-12-13 06:19:28 UTC
Even when Cal Mil would out number every other militia for pilots logged in a great percentage of them were just level 4 mission farming alts from all walks of EVE because state pro LP store is just so much better than all of the other stores, and the geography of the Cal/gal warzone was perfect for mission farming. People from other militias had mission alts in Cal Mil. 0.0 entities had mission alts in Cal Mil. Everyone had mission alts in Cal Mil. That is a fact.

Now with the new changes it is going to reverse stream and gal and minny are going to be farmed to death because of how easy it is to farm and the benefit of system control. The only way this is going to change is when all amarr and Caldari systems are gone and noone from Cal or amarr offensive plexes. When the LP dry up and the FW system finally gets cut out for the cancer that it is. In 2 months I plan on bringing my corp over to frog side and I urge all other Cal Mil entities to do the same to expedite the process of the death of FW farmville.

Sometimes the only way to save something is to burn it down.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2012-12-13 06:33:22 UTC
Schalac wrote:
In 2 months I plan on bringing my corp over to frog side and I urge all other Cal Mil entities to do the same to expedite the process of the death of FW farmville.

Why wait? Get your alts in now and start plexing for Gallente. Tier V all the way!
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#23 - 2012-12-13 06:38:21 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Schalac wrote:
In 2 months I plan on bringing my corp over to frog side and I urge all other Cal Mil entities to do the same to expedite the process of the death of FW farmville.

Why wait? Get your alts in now and start plexing for Gallente. Tier V all the way!

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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#24 - 2012-12-13 07:26:21 UTC
Remember a few months ago when the Caldari had the upper hand?

The Gallente were all raging about how broken FW was and putting alts in the Calmil to hasten the downfall of FWarmville. Wait, that's not right...
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#25 - 2012-12-13 08:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Souless- You said consistently field 50ish. You're linking me fringe BRs and/or ganks. I can link similar BRs. Ganks happen everywhere.

Need I remind you that between Kraken, Happy, and Templis, that's 3 alliances with 300 pilots per. That's 900 pilots right there regardless of inactivity as happens with all organizations. This also doesn't include the pirate gangs like Exodus, OMS Pies and whatnot who constantly have to come to help you guys.

Cal Mil has this constant persecution complex for some reason. It's never your fault. It's always Gallente.

Fact of the matter is that alot of you guys are just bad and you don't hold yourself accountable for it. It's not that Gallente is l77t pvpers. It's just many of the Cal Mil pvp corps are really really bad. I remember when I, along with a few other people helped organize the Kinakka Eviction campaign for the T5 push. Alot of the fights were pretty even and MG would lead the fights. Somehow, we'd amazingly win some of these fights by wide margins. Mostly because there's no discipline in your fleets, you don't have secondary target callers and the leeroy mentality is huge.

Gallente does blob sometimes. But part of the issue is that our fleets consist of many corps and alliances who try their hardest to form some semblance of a doctrine to counter an alliance who already has an existing doctrine. Unfortunately, it rarely happens so you get these kitchen sink blobs to fight some of your decent shield nano gangs. Between the amount of time it takes to form the fleet, the constant gibberish on comms, and the final outcome (either blueballed or blobbed) , I personally make the decision to stick to smaller gang pew because I find it more fun and challenging. And quite frankly, less of a hassle.

I wish you luck in nullsec. But I don't think much will change for your alliance. You may get some bigger fights but many of your pilots will simply learn to be F1 monkeys rather than excellent small gang PVPers. You'll come back to Cal Mil and nothing will change.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-12-13 08:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Ashterothi wrote:
The nightmare scenario of FW would be two allies both winning their perspective warzones, and working together to crush any insurrection, and I fear this is moving in that direction.


Except it is what you have always wanted and already work together to achieve. But hey, cry more crocodile tears about "only wanting good fights" (which is a lie) and wrap yourself in some "waah, Caldari really has more numbers" (even bigger lie) excuse when we know it has never been true except right at the start of FW.

At all times Caldari chat has 20 - 25% less people than Gal chat and huge of number of the players there are mission alts or gallente spy alts luring new people to be ganked by constant shouting of "Omg, come help me plex in Teimo" (or similiar) to make sure most new people quit in disgust after being either awoxed or blobbed to death.

And people still think that all these changes like ninja patch have not been deliberate acts by CCP's employees propping up their favourite militias. As said many times before, Gallentes knew it was coming and even boasted about the fact in local chat during their last LP dump by saying "Outside force would stop you from ever gaining tier 5 again", so either Hans or some CCP drone leaked this information to their militia leaders because "outside force" in form of dev's indeed stopped it.

"But you had time to bust the ihubs!" say the froggies. Indeed, how dare we be so ineffective that we cannot basicly bash 90 POSes in the middle of a week without pre-arranged CTA within 24 hours with every bored null-sec entity and frog pirate allies having their cyno alts watching ihubs so they could drop a titan bridge there.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#27 - 2012-12-13 09:14:28 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
Ashterothi wrote:
The nightmare scenario of FW would be two allies both winning their perspective warzones, and working together to crush any insurrection, and I fear this is moving in that direction.


Except it is what you have always wanted and already work together to achieve. But hey, cry more crocodile tears about "only wanting good fights" (which is a lie) and wrap yourself in some "waah, Caldari really has more numbers" (even bigger lie) excuse when we know it has never been true except right at the start of FW.

At all times Caldari chat has 20 - 25% less people than Gal chat and huge of number of the players there are mission alts or gallente spy alts luring new people to be ganked by constant shouting of "Omg, come help me plex in Teimo" (or similiar) to make sure most new people quit in disgust after being either awoxed or blobbed to death.

And people still think that all these changes like ninja patch have not been deliberate acts by CCP's employees propping up their favourite militias. As said many times before, Gallentes knew it was coming and even boasted about the fact in local chat during their last LP dump by saying "Outside force would stop you from ever gaining tier 5 again", so either Hans or some CCP drone leaked this information to their militia leaders because "outside force" in form of dev's indeed stopped it.

"But you had time to bust the ihubs!" say the froggies. Indeed, how dare we be so ineffective that we cannot basicly bash 90 POSes in the middle of a week without pre-arranged CTA within 24 hours with every bored null-sec entity and frog pirate allies having their cyno alts watching ihubs so they could drop a titan bridge there.


QQ
Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#28 - 2012-12-13 10:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Corrosion
Its easy, get an alt in the militia who has more Tier and make missions to make money, then fight in your militia and try to be a better player, i think its the only solutin to this, avoid big fleets and do small gang pvp, at least you will have a chance vs high sp experienced people...

The gallentes who say they are equal to caldari are just a ********* liars, there a re a lot of new people in caldari militia and you have 3 well organized entites there, so dont **** with us and say the truth, you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is...

I will always love LowSec
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-12-13 10:25:23 UTC
Eternal Corrosion wrote:
The gallentes who say they are equal to caldari are just a ********* liars, there a re a lot of new people in caldari militia and you have 3 well organized entites there, so dont **** with us and say the truth, you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is...


I object to any insinuation that we harbor organized entities.
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-13 12:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
I object to any insinuation that we harbor organized entities.


Well, you outnumber us so badly you can have 100 man alliance relocate because of a one man. I of course refer to Sp-r here. They denied it of course but have admitted by now they moved over only because of Damar. Oh and lets not forget one has to add about 50 neutral logi/link guys from their alt corp Trident BMK to that.

And of course they have Shadow Cartel to help them too:

Akturous > gall fed and shadow are tight, bro
Akturous > we sit around in a circle jerk alll day just thinking about how we can help each other out more
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-13 12:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Expect this to devolve from here.

:) Now who dares write an Amarr vs Minnie article.



We tried writing a Amarr/Minnie update but the Cal/Gals have at least 3:1 times our Mittani.com writers in the EU timezone and every time we bring a perfectly fair and balanced article those bl**dy cheating Cal/Gals use underhand Off Grid Commenters to obliterate us. All of this is Hans fault.

WHAT IS CCP DOING ABOUT THIS OUTRAGE?
Wey'oun
Snuffed Out
#32 - 2012-12-13 12:51:05 UTC
Firstly, the fact squids can put only a 30 man fleet together is due to the fact most of your dudes are terribad ppl. check militia chats for example.. the numbers are no where near 2:1 in gal favour,

Also, Gallente doesnt have dedicated hero's like damar defending the state! true selfless dedication is somthing you dont see every day. you squid duders should be proud of your saviour, tbh you should probably chip in and send him to represent the state at fanfest too! maybe he can get CCP to 'nerf gallente'


TL:DR: Keep fighting damar, i believe in you!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2012-12-13 13:38:17 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
And people still think that all these changes like ninja patch have not been deliberate acts by CCP's employees propping up their favourite militias.
Yttr is french, right? The plot is overboiling with tar.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#34 - 2012-12-13 13:42:00 UTC
Eternal Corrosion wrote:
you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is[/u]...
Crap, I told chatgris that guy on comms in our daily plexing strategy meeting was a spy. Did anybody listen? nope... *sigh*
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#35 - 2012-12-13 15:10:14 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Eternal Corrosion wrote:
you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is[/u]...
Crap, I told chatgris that guy on comms in our daily plexing strategy meeting was a spy. Did anybody listen? nope... *sigh*


And now they know about the daily plexing strategy meetings. Dude. Next you'll blow the whistle on the weekly meeting with pirates, and the every Tuesday ccp gallente hosted meeting where we sip mojitos and play world of tanks while cackling at the squids.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-12-13 16:43:42 UTC
Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.

Background: I spent time conscripted into an army IRL. After I got my discharge (honorable), for a while after, the thought of turning on a videogame with a military motif of any sort turned my stomach. I couldn't even play Mass Effect for a while, just from the guys saluting you on board ship.

Constant warfare, day in, day out, can really grind away at one's spirit, one's sanity, one's problematic soul. It's draining, and I'm pretty sure there are studies showing that keeping combat units on the front line for too long without relief will eventually render them ineffective.

I wonder if CCP has a psychologist on staff, to go along with their economist.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Johnny Punisher
Avanto
Hole Control
#37 - 2012-12-13 17:12:21 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.


When the system flipping changes were gonna hit TQ and minmatar were trying to snipe Kamela we had 1 day of constant warfare against them (with gallente help Pirate)... I remember one FC saying at one point "I'm too tired, someone take over!" . Never knew pvp could be so tiring, was totally exhausted and had to eventually just log off :D

Intresting experience in a videogame tho.
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-12-13 17:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Marc Callan wrote:
Constant warfare, day in, day out, can really grind away at one's spirit, one's sanity, one's problematic soul. It's draining, and I'm pretty sure there are studies showing that keeping combat units on the front line for too long without relief will eventually render them ineffective.


Footage of Nasranite Watch and Bloody Ronin Syndicate killing froggies to plexes around Old Man Star....
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#39 - 2012-12-13 17:45:07 UTC
Hi Damar! Just a FYI, Shaal isn't in SPDR.

Oh, also you're mental and you cry a lot.


Mich Farmer wrote:
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
I object to any insinuation that we harbor organized entities.


Well, you outnumber us so badly you can have 100 man alliance relocate because of a one man. I of course refer to Sp-r here. They denied it of course but have admitted by now they moved over only because of Damar. Oh and lets not forget one has to add about 50 neutral logi/link guys from their alt corp Trident BMK to that.

And of course they have Shadow Cartel to help them too:

Akturous > gall fed and shadow are tight, bro
Akturous > we sit around in a circle jerk alll day just thinking about how we can help each other out more

nom nom
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#40 - 2012-12-13 17:49:19 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
"100 man alliance relocate because of a one man"
"Oh and lets not forget one has to add about 50 neutral logi/link guys"
"And of course they have Shadow Cartel to help them too"

Haha holy crap. Still clinging on to that dodgy intel huh? Roll None of those three things is true, but we appreciate your interest all the same!

As for those BRs, they don't tell you much out of context. if you look at the time frames youll often see that they are two or three seperate fleets, or fleet action mixed with other pvp around the same time. Not to mention I see the same guys on them in multiple ships. Its hard to actually assess fleet sizes without being able to focus the timeframe, instead of hours worth of mixed pvp. Good propoganda, but bad intel.

OP, interesting write up thanks. I agree with your closing statement, especially the bolded sentiments. If the cals work together instead of as individual entities they could really ruin our day.

OP's Article wrote:
However, as the they approach tier 5 status, things will become progressively more difficult for the Gallente. Reduced to fewer systems, Gallente plexers will be unable to hide their presence to Caldari patrols, who will be much more concentrated. Furthermore, the LP cost to raise systems goes up as a faction gets closer to total dominance. At some point Caldari will gain enough traction to hold ground, and likely push back.