Jita Park Speakers Corner

STV and the variations suggested are utterly terrible. The fact that the CSM is so concerned about this (basically just morphing the system to something that benefits themselves more) instead of actual game related issues is sickening.

Keep the current voting. There honestly aren't any problems with it.

Exactly. Eve is supposed to be about consequences. The consequence of voting for a muppet is that your guy doesn't get in, unless you voted for Darius / Issler. :)

According to the latest thing they're still harping on about such an absolute none-issue. What a joke

It's come up a few times, new guy, but the problem with that system is there's no way to tell who a miner actually is, or who anyone is for that matter. It'd be easy to game the system by flooding each category with someone claiming to be that person.

The same problem also goes for trying to assign seats based on where people live (i.e. so many seats for highsec, or lowsec, etc etc). There's no way to determine where people truly live, so it's subject to the same kind of abuse.

Just the same, if the list is still containing people that may or may not even be relevant to that category (since there's no way to enforce it prior), you'll still have to go through each candidate and find out if they're the real deal or not. That's about the same amount of homework you'd have to do now.

It also still doesn't address the problem of either candidates with multiple specialities (i.e. someone who can do industry AND trading, etc), or voters who wish to vote for more than one interest (example, my main is a PVP character but my isk-making is invention and manufacturing, so I have direct interest in both of those things). One of the great parts of Eve is never truly being locked down into any kind of "role" and being able to do whatever you like - pigeonholing CSM candidates into pre-defined roles runs too much in counter to that.

Speaking of roles, how do you define them? Example, you said mining - yet solo mining, corp mining, 0.0 mining, all different things that can produce entirely different points of view of what's needed and what isn't. Same goes for PVP - highsec wardec PVP? Lowsec PVP? Null PVP? Piracy? There's just too much variance within categories, and someone at the end of the day will always be left out.



I think you misunderstood me here - when I said "live" I meant, where the player lives within Eve. Like for example, a highsec dweller, a lowsec dweller, null dweller, wormhole dweller, etc. Sorry if that wasn't clearer :) I mentioned it as well as it comes up with the same frequency as the above idea yet has the same problems.

Now that I'm here and have met the man, the thing about CCP Unifex is that he's the type of guy that you can tell him to his face that he's ****-ed up this or that, and he'll still buy you a beer and thank you for your honesty. Unlike many, the man is fearless and cares enough about the game that he'd rather have bullshit called bullshit than some sugar-coated watered down feel-good advice. He also *seems* seriously committed to the CSM becoming an institution that goes far beyond the "focus group" role (which can be fulfilled just as easily through devs like Fozzie going straight to the players and asking for specific feedback). Part of why we know so little about next year's plans is because they're collecting our input before the release planning has even begun.

That being said, I did tell him straight up how much we've heard all this in the past and are far less interested in nice *words* than action at this point. We're not stupid, or unaware of CCP's track record with this sort of thing.

Makes complete sense.

If we have cowards representing Hi-sec then we can push them around and make them agree to what we want.

Awesome idea

Future candidates should have a posting history on these official forums. This way we avoid totally inactive, non-community representatives from power blocks getting elected.

Yes, ~GD~ is what it is etc, but these forums are the formal means of being in touch with the player base, which in the end is what the CSM is all about.

Some current CSM members have shown excellent participation in discussions after getting elected, while those who didn't do it before, haven't done it after either.

I approve of this qualification!

But even with 10,000 you mad bro posts the community would know the person

I think a hard limit is a good start as the person has to be involved in the community

2000, 5000, 7000 posts the number of posts while not necessarily the more the better but it does show community involvement and that the community would know the person.

Take the current chairman Seleene, 7193 posts, so people kind of know where they stand and if they dont it is easy to research.

Activity participated is a bit to wishy washy for my taste, for example if someone comments on 1 thread they have actively participated in discussions. but it is easy to fake your perspective on a low number of posts.

But still the best idea I have ever heard for weeding out the fakes.