EVE General Discussion

Using command ships or boosting T3's with gang links running in a fleet confers various bonuses to the fleet. Unfortunately CCP made it so that running these links in a T3 sitting safely away from the fight gave better buffs than a command ship actually in the fight. So they've been abused to hell.

Forcing them to be on the field with the fight means that you will no longer be able to fit out cloaky nullified lokis with a paper tank and still get these buffs. This is a good thing, but abusers of this tactic are whining.

I think the problem lies with the fact that if your a small fleet of lets say 20 pilots and you are taking on 150 or so goons in your small fleet you have a on grid booster but as soon as you land that boosting ship is going to be volleyed by the 150 or so goons first especially if there in Alpha ships. Yet there on grid booster is at far less risk because he has a meatshield of 149 guys around him compared to just your 19 plus they might have 20 or so logistic pilots while your small gang is just running a nano fleet. It will clearly favour the bigger fleets in the end and god knows there already enough in the blobs favour in EVE atm. At least at the moment if a gang does loose a Linky ship its there own fault for not watching over it properly, not just purely because they didnt bring enough people to fight them

OFC booster alts are ghey for solo play and its not really true solo pvp if you have to use a linky alt to solo people much like falcon alts where ghey yet they have been nerfed somewhat. CCP is going to need to come up with a compromise somewhere or alot of smalltime players who prefer to fly in small but well drilled gangs will have yet another reason to be frustrated with Eve

ccp dumbing down eve again for the whineing *snip*

we will adapt same as allways


EDIT: Do not attempt to evade the word filter - ISD Type40.

Normally when I hear somebody play the worn-out, knee-jerk "adapt" card I have nothing good to say about them, but in this case I'll make an exception: Yes, a maxed out Myrmidon can fit your command links and have enough tank to soak up anything short of an Incursion. At it already stands, any active fleet commander will have already gone this route - so telling them to adapt is moot, as they've probably already done so a long time ago.

However this does raise another issue: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't battlecruisers and T3s pretty much the alpha and omega of dedicated fleet boosting ships? That can be an issue. I agree that fleet leaders should have to get in on the action & take risks with their team, but there seems to be an artificial ceiling on what the leaders themselves can fly.

In other words, when two blobs of fifty battleships show up and you see a couple of battlecruisers or T3s fitted for warfare links then everyone knows to shoot that guy first. What's worse, the fleet boost leader is - in this blob of battleships on up - going to be smallest, easiest to kill piece on the board. The only exception that I am aware of being carriers in nullsec.

The queen should not have to ride the smallest horse. So as just compensation for the loss of OGB I propose that CCP get on the ball with expanding the list of warfare link specialty ships to include at least one in every size from T1 cruiser all the way to battleships. If fleet leaders are going to be forced to come under fire then they need more ships that are actually able to stand up to it and fight back effectively.

So: Add in a T1 warfare link cruiser (cheapest option), the T1 battlecruisers we have already, and then add in warfare link battleships (expensive, but more durable). Not sure if warfare link dreads are needed, being that every null alliance already measures their e-peens in how many carriers they can put on parade. More links would probably just be moot for those guys.

If you really want to make it a "flagship" game you could add in that warfare links only give bonuses to ship of equal or lesser size. So carriers can still boost everyone, battleships can boost battleship size and smaller, and so on down. So your new T1 link cruiser wouldn't even be able to try and bite off more than they could chew.

You have forgotten Command Ships (T2 BC's)

Just sad that the reality of the game is real "Fleet Commanders" often (maybe always now) use Recons or Covert Ops ships if the fleet is any decent size. Regardless of the argument about boosting, the doctrine of the game makes its impossible to stay on grid with a visible ship if you actually want to...you know...lead a fleet (call targets, alignments, or any maneuvers).

Sad game design outcome truth be told.

No I don't, you're right.

I do know that sitting a ship at a PoS, inside a sheild, away from the fight, is stupid.

And that only a moron thinks that that's "harder" than actually keeping it safe in the middle of the fight.

You obviously side with the guy that made the rediculous comment, and frankly that says a crapton more about you than the corp I'm in says about me.


Whiny little brats who're just afraid of losing a ship.
That's what it boils down to, and I don't need to know a thing about "small gang" pvp to know that.

That's funny because I don't recall the last time I saw a FC in a paper tanked ship in a major fleet.

Maybe not. Been out of fleets for several years...but if FC's want to die in a fire in a visible ship on grid I am sure they have their Adm. Ackbar reasons...all of them stupid.

Yeah warp around in your OGB, how are you gunna be running links when you are warping smart guy? What happens to your gang when you warp? They just die lol.