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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2012-12-10 17:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Agreed. Although digital is turning out to be not so good for restoration, I love the results that David Lynch got with that cheap camera for his film, my Corp's namesake, "INLAND EMPIRE" (his idea that the title must be printed in all caps).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#42 - 2012-12-10 18:13:49 UTC
Yup.

Reminds me of that line from Citizen Kane:

CARTER
There is no news big enough.

KANE
If the headline is big enough, it
makes the news big enough.

AK

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#43 - 2012-12-11 01:51:29 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:


The only thorny issue is really for the audiences who have consistently paid more for watching a film, even though the all of the costs of film distribution have dropped to practically zero. Previously a single print would cost a disty $2k. Multiply that by the amount of screens in N.America (35,000) and you get a figure of roughly $70 mill.

They've saved, we've paid.

AK
And still many of the productions move overseas (from the US). It even effects TV shows, where once good series were made, it's cheaper to make a reality show (e.g sY-fY ch.). Production, taxes, all the piles of cost here now. Not that this was ever a production here, but would be more costly if it were, and maybe never made.

I'm in it for the money

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2012-12-11 03:02:55 UTC
Webvan wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:


The only thorny issue is really for the audiences who have consistently paid more for watching a film, even though the all of the costs of film distribution have dropped to practically zero. Previously a single print would cost a disty $2k. Multiply that by the amount of screens in N.America (35,000) and you get a figure of roughly $70 mill.

They've saved, we've paid.

AK
And still many of the productions move overseas (from the US). It even effects TV shows, where once good series were made, it's cheaper to make a reality show (e.g sY-fY ch.). Production, taxes, all the piles of cost here now. Not that this was ever a production here, but would be more costly if it were, and maybe never made.



The technical film Guilds here in America are indeed expensive. Thus even shows like Battlestar Galactica are made in Canada.

Apparently the ones in England are too restrictive with short days and lots of breaks, including Tea Time. Drove James Cameron nuts when making "Aliens", as they would just stop working in the middle of complex undertakings and leave. Thus LOTR in New Zealand and the Star Wars pre-quels in Australia.

Also, reality series do not have writers to be paid.

Signs of the times. Everything to save an almighty dollar for the stockholders.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#45 - 2012-12-11 03:30:54 UTC
Haha, just saw you gave me a bounty kristal while I was reading this thread.

I did disagree with you about the anime hobit, but hadn't even posted it yet. Didn't know that show was so touchy.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#46 - 2012-12-11 03:42:38 UTC
Yeah, just saw the time from that bounty, after I posted, but its funny.

Film discussions are usually touchy. Was just making assumptions.

So tell me then, what inspired the bounty? A load of bad ice?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2012-12-11 18:43:49 UTC
Hobbit Dwarf Flow Chart

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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#48 - 2012-12-11 21:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Cleaned the thread of some off topic posts. Please continue on.

Movie looks pretty good by the way.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-12-12 02:08:57 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Cleaned the thread of some off topic posts. Please continue on.

Movie looks pretty good by the way.

It is a good entertaining movie. Definitely more light hearted and humor filled then LoTR, but still has the LoTR flavor instead of the book's more childish one. The main plot thread follows the book pretty closely in the major plot points, but it deviates in other places and does it's own thing in some way in almost every scene. It lays the groundwork for the future events and characters quite nicely. It was a very satisfying experience overall.

I don't have any major gripes about it, but there are some scenes where I groaned. It has got a few of those Peter Jackson over the top dramatic action scenes, where things cross over from intense to silly. Other than that and some nitpicks it's another solid entry in the middle-earth movie series.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2012-12-12 03:46:24 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

I don't have any major gripes about it, but there are some scenes where I groaned. It has got a few of those Peter Jackson over the top dramatic action scenes, where things cross over from intense to silly.


That happened in his early 'horror' films too.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-12-12 06:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

I don't have any major gripes about it, but there are some scenes where I groaned. It has got a few of those Peter Jackson over the top dramatic action scenes, where things cross over from intense to silly.


That happened in his early 'horror' films too.


Do not speak ill of Brain Dead! It has kung fu fighting priests.

Also going to see this on friday. Looking forwards to it even though i hate lines.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-12-12 13:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Graygor wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

I don't have any major gripes about it, but there are some scenes where I groaned. It has got a few of those Peter Jackson over the top dramatic action scenes, where things cross over from intense to silly.


That happened in his early 'horror' films too.


Do not speak ill of Brain Dead! It has kung fu fighting priests.

Also going to see this on friday. Looking forwards to it even though i hate lines.



It's more like this: "Bad Taste" was an accidental "Let's watch this thing. It looks awful!". That was around 1990.

My roommate and I made fun of it. Telling everyone how silly and 'awful' it was. Hilarious.

When I first started reading news about LOTR films being developed by a Peter Jackson in 1995 I did not realize who that was until Harry over at aintitcool.com put Peter's early titles in a little blurb, and I saw "Bad Taste" listed. My mother still remembers me suddenly yelling ."Noooooo. This dude is way too inept to do LOTR. No way...no WAY!" Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-12-12 14:19:20 UTC
now he must make a movie of The Silmarillion

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2012-12-12 14:31:42 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
now he must make a movie of The Silmarillion


Because of both length and the entirely separated stories especially Part II, it would be best served as a mini-series.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#55 - 2012-12-12 20:12:07 UTC
I find it outrageous that no midgets were actually harmed in the filming of this movie.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#56 - 2012-12-12 20:17:00 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I find it outrageous that no midgets were actually harmed in the filming of this movie.



For once animals were: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers_n_2158198.html

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#57 - 2012-12-13 00:37:40 UTC
Again, this is the only negative in an otherwise great review:

"A few words about 48FPS. I’ve seen THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY twice now in this format, and this weekend I’ll be seeing it in good old-fashioned 2D. 48FPS takes some getting used to. It’s so aesthetically different from film that many will flat-out reject it. I’ve always thought that there was something magical about 24FPS, something tactile and soothing about it, even in old 35MM. 48FPS in its way has a more striking palette; everything is sharper, there’s very little motion blur, and gives everything a weight and a movement that comes close to reality, or at least as close as it can. But it also has the effect of making sets look more like sets, and even outside shots have a strange disconnect to them.

Perhaps it’s because we’re not used to it. In 3D, the images are much more pronounced – Gollum really feels “there” this time in a way that he never really felt before. It’s almost as if 48FPS brings CGI into a kind of reality. The problem is, it’s not reality - it's obviously CGI. Sometimes it works, like in the work with Gollum. Sometimes it just makes what isn't real even more fake-looking. I’d really love to see this technology used, perhaps in just a regular action movie that’s not so full of computer-enhanced imagery, to see what it would look like. I recommend seeing it in this format at least once to decide for yourself, but it is jarring. For the first few minutes, everything looks like it moves faster than normal, but it’s because there’s no blurring anymore. After a while, I got used to it. The format does make landscapes pop, and more than any other 3D before it, I really felt the depth of scope on the screen. When we’re looking down a hall in Bilbo’s house, it really feels like a hallway, with a real distance to things. And I’ll also say this – it felt like there was very little eye strain in seeing THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY in 3D, much less eye strain than in a normal 3D movie. If they can just make sure the screen is bright, perhaps this technology will become the new normal. But I suspect that this will simply be one way to see a movie, and won’t replace good old-fashioned 24FPS. Time will tell."


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59986

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2012-12-13 20:27:39 UTC
More issues with the 48 FPS rate:

"Finally, let me get to the giant elephant in the room – the 48 fps frame rate – for those who are curious how it plays on the big screen. THE HOBBIT is by no means the definitive statement on whether the shift in frame rate can work in the long run, but it is one fascinating experiment that showcases its benefits while frustrates with its negatives.

First off, THE HOBBIT looks absolutely amazing. You already know what it’s like to see a high-resolution image via your Blu-ray player… now imagine seeing that same image quality projected on the silver screen. It’s that crisp and that clear, enabling you to see individual feathers on an eagle’s wings or the disgusting details of a troll’s face or the spray of Rivendall’s waterfalls. This is something you haven’t seen before projected in such a way, so it sure will take you a bit to get adjusted to what you’re seeing. By the time I walked out of the theatre, I felt as if my eyes had gone through a serious boot camp workout, being used in ways they had never been before. They did feel a bit strained for the extra work they were being called upon to do. But it wasn’t just the extra detail they were being called upon to pick up. That was only the bright side of this equation.

The downside is that that they were also required to move a lot faster to grasp and decipher a lot of the motion and camera movements that Jackson was using throughout the film. Close-ups and medium shots appear to move quickly at rapid speed, which is absolutely jarring when you first see it and then every time after, as if you are watching them move in fast-forward. Simple tasks like the elder Bilbo putting something away in a chest look almost comical, because of how quickly they transpire in relation to things shot from a wider angle. Pans and swishes come across like something you might see in a video game cut scene, and with the added camera movement trying to put you in the action of say a battle, it almost feels as if you’re in the middle of a 3-D motion simulator ride. I think that the new frame rate can be a worthy tool for filmmakers to use periodically, but I don’t see it becoming any sort of new standard until they learn its limitations, which means changing dramatically the way certain things are captured by the camera in order to not disorient the audience when it’s finally projected."


Warning: the full review below is fairly negative until Gollum hits the screen 45 minutes from the end.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59994

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2012-12-14 02:35:50 UTC
Ouch! Warning, this one hurts !

http://www.sfgate.com/movies/article/The-Hobbit-review-Chore-of-the-Rings-4116150.php#photo-3885241

we didn't even get a single review of LOTR anywhere that approaches this.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2012-12-14 11:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Read
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Brace yourselves.

Most of it apparently feels like Peter Jackson's "Slow Boat to Skull Island".

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59869


This review is full of ****. Pure utter ****. I just returned from the midnight release and (yes even as a nasty Pirate) I teared up several times. I'm a major lotr fan and Tolkien was my childhood growing up. My grandmother turned me to the Hobbit as a book when I was very young so naturally it's something kind of sacred.

The movie doesn't disappoint in the least. I would however recommend to NOT see it in 3D and rather just traditionally. I personally find 3D to be a gimmick and takes away from the quality and detailing of the film so I saw it in 2D. The sets are gorgeous. I was literally blown away by Eredor and the detailing of the Lonely Mountain. It was about on par with Minas Tirith and that's saying something.

The movie is NOT Lord Of The Rings. Those going in expecting massive battles or a dark determined plot are going to be disappointed. However those whom have read the book will be thoroughly pleased. Jackson does an amazing and I mean AMAZING job of tying in the little details such as Dol Guldur and the "Necromancer."

The reasoning why these critics are giving it such crap is because Jackson is building upon the tensions leading up to the War Of The Ring. he is revealing Saurons growing power, The White Council, Gandalf's concern over a growing darkness where as Sauraman see's nothing.

I'm certain we will see the development of Aragorn as a young man and even Denethor and Gondor's early struggles to set the stage probably at the end film of this trilogy.

This film also gives definition to characters and added depth that enriches them in LOTR such as Sauraman The White or Elrond. You see personality and yes even Gandalf has added depth especially in one particular scene where I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater. I won't spoil it but let's just say it has to do with a simple question as to why Bilbo was chosen to go on the quest.

Thorin Oakenshield and Bilbo as characters are portrayed wonderfully and I was very surprised at the level of depth shown in Thorin.

Don't let these snobby prudes deter you. It was a wonderful film and one everyone who has read the book NEEDS to see. If you go in expecting the Hobbit that is what you will get. A film with emotion and character development that I could only put on par with that of Lincoln for films of 2012.

Please go see it.