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500 seconds perma Jammed by NPC's
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Callum Harte
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-12 17:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Callum Harte
In the process of doing the mission Dread Pirate Scarlet, I am in the second pocket and have found myself unable to do anything as I am perma jammed. By perma jammed I mean the 4 battleships have just spent their time rotating their jamming to the point I have spent the better part of 10 minutes jammed now.

I am running a Tengu, standard l4 fit

I didn't notice this perma jamming before todays downtime.

Anyone else seeing this?
Aquavolt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-12 17:18:15 UTC
INB4 FoF Missiles
Nriz Barol
1IL
#3 - 2012-12-12 17:33:03 UTC
Yarrh it happeth to thine ship afore Retribution.

I just warped out and warped back in (got a bonus spawn in the previous room and a faction drop in the belt I warped to yey my lucky day!) , and kept as much range as possible shooting the jamming ships first.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#4 - 2012-12-12 17:36:25 UTC
INB4 some non mission runner saying....wait for it....







Working as intended......NOT!

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-12-12 17:55:12 UTC
Callum Harte wrote:
In the process of doing the mission Dread Pirate Scarlet, I am in the second pocket and have found myself unable to do anything as I am perma jammed. By perma jammed I mean the 4 battleships have just spent their time rotating their jamming to the point I have spent the better part of 10 minutes jammed now.

I am running a Tengu, standard l4 fit

I didn't notice this perma jamming before todays downtime.

Anyone else seeing this?


*just in case nothing is wrong...*

have you considered ECCM? T3's are a little extra sensitive when it comes to ECM, aren't they?

I can go from 29 to 104 with 2 ECCM mids, and in a gang with projected eccm it can get higher the more ships you have

I don't know. just in the case it's an effect against tengus. there could be a permajam bug but I'm not taking tengus to test it with (because i hate them, and the only thing worse than having them is losing them)

http://i.imgur.com/2sgoL.png

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-12-12 18:53:21 UTC
I'll do the FOF thing now... always carry them.. in any missile mission ship that can use them.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-12-12 18:57:13 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:


http://i.imgur.com/2sgoL.png


^^ this made my tengu Cry
Callum Harte
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-12 19:00:16 UTC
Thanks all for the suggestions, the FOF wasn't something I had actually considered, but will be carrying a complement of them with me at all times now.

Thanks all for the advice!
notha atfast
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-12 21:14:35 UTC
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.
Matthew97
#10 - 2012-12-13 09:11:20 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


The only thing is, its all chanced based with NPC's IIRC, it ignores your sensor strength and will have, for example, a 50% chance of hitting a jam every cycle regardless?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-13 09:32:30 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


The only thing is, its all chanced based with NPC's IIRC, it ignores your sensor strength and will have, for example, a 50% chance of hitting a jam every cycle regardless?


If it chance based, and sensor strength or skills don't have any effect, would that not also mean that ECCM modules don't work either?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
LordSpock
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-13 10:04:56 UTC
Not sure about how it is after Retribution, but I have the sensor strenght subsystem on my Tengu and didn't get jammed very often before Retribution.
Might need to check now but if it is and was chance based regardless of sensor strength I have been very lucky so far. My ships has a sensopr strength of 32 by the way.
Mund Richard
#13 - 2012-12-13 12:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Matthew97 wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


The only thing is, its all chanced based with NPC's IIRC, it ignores your sensor strength and will have, for example, a 50% chance of hitting a jam every cycle regardless?

It has been changed from being a fix % chance (unaffected by sensor strength), into how player ECM works (affected by sensor strength) some ages ago as far as I know.
So ECCM and sensor strength subsys to your hearth's delight!

(I believe ECM strength of NPCs is somewhere up to 4 normally.)

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-13 15:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Texty
The definition of "chance based" seems to differ from person to person.
Mund Richard
#15 - 2012-12-13 15:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Texty wrote:
The definition of "chance based" seems to differ from person to person.

Haha, fair enough.
Edited my post.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-14 02:08:20 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


The only thing is, its all chanced based with NPC's IIRC, it ignores your sensor strength and will have, for example, a 50% chance of hitting a jam every cycle regardless?

It has been changed from being a fix % chance (unaffected by sensor strength), into how player ECM works (affected by sensor strength) some ages ago as far as I know.
So ECCM and sensor strength subsys to your hearth's delight!

(I believe ECM strength of NPCs is somewhere up to 4 normally.)



Confirming they changed it from fixed chance to sensor strength chance like a year ago or more.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#17 - 2012-12-14 09:13:21 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


4% isn't much, but for any mission runner it's definitely worth training to 4.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2012-12-14 09:13:42 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
notha atfast wrote:
try the new sensor compensation skills also. it hardens you against ECM. 4% per level.


The only thing is, its all chanced based with NPC's IIRC, it ignores your sensor strength and will have, for example, a 50% chance of hitting a jam every cycle regardless?


That is incorrect.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-14 09:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Rain6637 wrote:
Callum Harte wrote:
In the process of doing the mission Dread Pirate Scarlet, I am in the second pocket and have found myself unable to do anything as I am perma jammed. By perma jammed I mean the 4 battleships have just spent their time rotating their jamming to the point I have spent the better part of 10 minutes jammed now.

I am running a Tengu, standard l4 fit

I didn't notice this perma jamming before todays downtime.

Anyone else seeing this?


*just in case nothing is wrong...*

have you considered ECCM? T3's are a little extra sensitive when it comes to ECM, aren't they?

I can go from 29 to 104 with 2 ECCM mids, and in a gang with projected eccm it can get higher the more ships you have

I don't know. just in the case it's an effect against tengus. there could be a permajam bug but I'm not taking tengus to test it with (because i hate them, and the only thing worse than having them is losing them)

http://i.imgur.com/2sgoL.png


Nice dps you got there.................even if its a part of your 4 accounts......



...lol im kidding. It must take ageeeeeeees to kill each thing.


But seriously, I don't have anything against you but you kinda suddenly popped up from out of nowhere and started linking your fits.....

Soooooo, CN launchers but T2 ballistic control and dc ?


P.S, are you trolling "poor pilots" again ? Im really not sure at this point.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2012-12-14 09:14:55 UTC
Zaq Phelps wrote:

Confirming they changed it from fixed chance to sensor strength chance like a year ago or more.


I saw a thorough test analysis of rat ECM vs Sensor Strength, posted on these forums, and that was over a year ago. The conclusion was that increasing your Sensor Strength means you get ECM jammed less often.
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