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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#21 - 2012-12-12 16:27:34 UTC
8 days remain until our catastrophic end.

People are also gathering in Sirince, Turkey. I guess it's easier to just make up a new 'safe place' nearby than it is to travel to the other one.

Hell, i'm going to designate my house as a safe place to survive Dec 21st, and just wait for the hordes of people to show up. I've always wanted to be a cult leader. Maybe this is the catalyst i need.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#22 - 2012-12-12 17:13:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Bane Necran wrote:
8 days remain until our catastrophic end.

People are also gathering in Sirince, Turkey. I guess it's easier to just make up a new 'safe place' nearby than it is to travel to the other one.

Hell, i'm going to designate my house as a safe place to survive Dec 21st, and just wait for the hordes of people to show up. I've always wanted to be a cult leader. Maybe this is the catalyst i need.

Ha. Steps to establishing yourself as a cult leader:
1) Say reassuring things to people. Encourage them to forget their daily problems-- "Everything is OK here in our group." Be their mommy and their daddy.
2) Make them sit in a circle on the floor. Strategically place yourself seated with your back to the wall, so you're facing the entrance they have to come through. When the time is right, stand up and keeping talking while everybody else stays on the floor.
3) Do most of the talking. Don't let it become a discussion group! Use a 'talking stick' or some ceremonial/official event thing, so that people can only speak when they have possession of the special item, or during limited and controlled talking times.
4) Don't forget your personal appearance gimmick. Something that makes you look very distinct from an ordinary joe on the street. Gould be long hair. Or weird sunglasses. Or a patriarch/mountain man beard. A robe, a monocle, or some kind of big medallion/amulet. Do not let shyness or fear of being outrageous ruin your cult leader experience!
5) Study NLP Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Practice using gestures, eye movements, facial expressions, and verbal repetition and redundancy to soothe, lull, and lead your followers.
6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults.
Blink
Borascus
#23 - 2012-12-12 17:48:40 UTC
I read about the Mayans (Mayan Prophecies) as a kid in the 90's; it made sense. It isn't going to be the end of civilisations on earth, nor are the large power blocks going to be affected. There may be a small chance that a Tsunami wipes out a population the size of the Mayan population.


It can also be considered that Earthquakes could occur, we have developed structures with integrity beyond what Mayans would expect.

It might be dry summers and wildfires, but then again we've had those for years..... and years.....

Cyclones / Tornadoes etc all occur frequently all over the world, sometimes with devastation - things the peninsula would have been difficult to avoid.


Then again, the cycle was due to repeat at this time, either with a previous world-ending event or "something new" - not based on the elements.


The biggest "risk" for this current time period is the asteroid due to pass underneath the Geo-synchronous orbit boundary. It's going to miss too (February 2013).

How the Mayan's formed their calendar ACCURATELY was the astounding part, and their mesmorising texts as seen in the Dresden Codex. Also; one of the most creative theories I read revolved around the equivalent of the Rosetta Stone where the Author made laminate images of the surface and rotated each serpent / half-triangle to be adjoining (heads and tails together) to reveal more sentences than were contained on the surface.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-12 18:12:09 UTC
Borascus wrote:
There may be a small chance that a Tsunami wipes out a population the size of the Mayan population.


That's an interesting point. I believe the last time the Mayan calendar predicted an age change, Cortez and the Spaniards arrived and pretty much wiped out the Mesoamerican civilizations. It was an age change for the Mayas (and the Aztecs and Toltecs, their successors as the leading regional civilizations), but not for the rest of the world. But I guess that event happened at the end of a smaller calendar cycle. Not at the end of the big cycle of the whole calendar.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2012-12-12 18:16:25 UTC
When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.

It is not required for a disaster to occur.

Anyone who even begins to see a connection with near randomly designed time-keeping constructs of the ancients as having some kind of predictive power towards absolutely natural forces of the cosmos is not sound of mind, and needs to be walked away from slowly, quietly.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#26 - 2012-12-12 18:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Borascus wrote:
I read about the Mayans (Mayan Prophecies) as a kid in the 90's; it made sense. It isn't going to be the end of civilisations on earth, nor are the large power blocks going to be affected. There may be a small chance that a Tsunami wipes out a population the size of the Mayan population.


It can also be considered that Earthquakes could occur, we have developed structures with integrity beyond what Mayans would expect.

It might be dry summers and wildfires, but then again we've had those for years..... and years.....

Cyclones / Tornadoes etc all occur frequently all over the world, sometimes with devastation - things the peninsula would have been difficult to avoid.


Then again, the cycle was due to repeat at this time, either with a previous world-ending event or "something new" - not based on the elements.


The biggest "risk" for this current time period is the asteroid due to pass underneath the Geo-synchronous orbit boundary. It's going to miss too (February 2013).

How the Mayan's formed their calendar ACCURATELY was the astounding part, and their mesmorising texts as seen in the Dresden Codex. Also; one of the most creative theories I read revolved around the equivalent of the Rosetta Stone where the Author made laminate images of the surface and rotated each serpent / half-triangle to be adjoining (heads and tails together) to reveal more sentences than were contained on the surface.






In worse case somthing natural happens just because statistical probability, people start panic because ( natural catastrofic bad event colide with this date) people start panic, make hysterics, suicides, toaly psychosis etc, i hope this never happens, but who know, like OP mention here already some group of people who are believers of doom day like some groups form France, Turkey, and i hear about some small area in Russia.

Statistical worse natural disaster happens every yeaar betwen spring and sommer period in average global area, and less in christmas - winter period in general, so statistical we are more safe form natural dissaster during this date - period. ;)

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2012-12-12 18:42:15 UTC
Living in near rural Arkansas as a child, I remember several times driving by houses with 30-40 cars parked in yard, backyard, up and down both sides of the highway.

They were all gathering for the expected Rapture.

After about 6 months or so it would finally break up and disappear.

Not a real productive way to conduct one's life.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Borascus
#28 - 2012-12-12 18:45:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.

It is not required for a disaster to occur.

Anyone who even begins to see a connection with near randomly designed time-keeping constructs of the ancients as having some kind of predictive power towards absolutely natural forces of the cosmos is not sound of mind, and needs to be walked away from slowly, quietly.



Other than debunked Nazca.....


So anyways, Astronomy is a calendar / roadmap / circuit / Formula 1 Racetrack for our time, it only takes one rogue planet that we don't know about to fall into a black hole (from an un-nova) that we can't see, which then emits a gamma ray burst towards two collapsing-spiral neutron stars within 50 light years for us to get wiped out and astronomy to be "whack calendar of the ancients".

That's at the nth-term, but yea you are right, stuff like this and Nostradamus serve to illustrate the prospecting-outcomes skill, and offers an additional opportunity for parallel reasoning skills later on in life.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2012-12-12 18:53:01 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.

It is not required for a disaster to occur.

Anyone who even begins to see a connection with near randomly designed time-keeping constructs of the ancients as having some kind of predictive power towards absolutely natural forces of the cosmos is not sound of mind, and needs to be walked away from slowly, quietly.



Other than debunked Nazca.....


So anyways, Astronomy is a calendar / roadmap / circuit / Formula 1 Racetrack for our time, it only takes one rogue planet that we don't know about to fall into a black hole (from an un-nova) that we can't see, which then emits a gamma ray burst towards two collapsing-spiral neutron stars within 50 light years for us to get wiped out and astronomy to be "whack calendar of the ancients".

That's at the nth-term, but yea you are right, stuff like this and Nostradamus serve to illustrate the prospecting-outcomes skill, and offers an additional opportunity for parallel reasoning skills later on in life.



My own father (RIP) was absolutely obsessed with the stuff in Revelations for pretty much his whole life. A conservative Baptist certainly, and intelligent, and believed in evolution, but this particular hangup, inherited from and also studied by his own father, sometimes together, just seemed to infect his entire mindset.

His last decade I could barely have a conversation with him without it diverting to those subjects. Weird, and sad what this kind of thinking can do. Took away my own father from me as a 'friend' to talk to.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#30 - 2012-12-12 19:26:20 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults.
Blink


I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes 'free love' is a great recruitment tool, and sexual promiscuity can bring people closer together rather than make them jealous of eachother. It seems to be working well for the Raeliens. But i suppose it would depend on the types of people who show up. If they're largely Christian i may just settle on polygamy since that's easy to justify using the bible. I will of course be able to select my wives freely, while everyone else makes do with those who are left over, because it's what god wants.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.

It is not required for a disaster to occur.


I think there's been 6 mass extinctions we know of. I'm skeptical of those who say another is just around the corner, but also think those who act like it will never happen are fooling themselves. If they keep claiming another is about to happen, they'll eventually be right.

And here's the tale of a Chinese man who has spent $160,000 creating floating balls which people can allegedly survive the 21st in.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2012-12-12 20:01:43 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults.
Blink


I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes 'free love' is a great recruitment tool, and sexual promiscuity can bring people closer together rather than make them jealous of eachother. It seems to be working well for the Raeliens. But i suppose it would depend on the types of people who show up. If they're largely Christian i may just settle on polygamy since that's easy to justify using the bible. I will of course be able to select my wives freely, while everyone else makes do with those who are left over, because it's what god wants.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.

It is not required for a disaster to occur.


I think there's been 6 mass extinctions we know of. I'm skeptical of those who say another is just around the corner, but also think those who act like it will never happen are fooling themselves. If they keep claiming another is about to happen, they'll eventually be right.

And here's the tale of a Chinese man who has spent $160,000 creating floating balls which people can allegedly survive the 21st in.



If we do notice an asteroid heading our way, the recently vocal anti-science dweebs will start believing in Physics really quick.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#32 - 2012-12-12 21:43:33 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults. Blink
I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes 'free love' is a great recruitment tool, and sexual promiscuity can bring people closer together rather than make them jealous of eachother. It seems to be working well for the Raeliens. But i suppose it would depend on the types of people who show up. If they're largely Christian i may just settle on polygamy since that's easy to justify using the bible. I will of course be able to select my wives freely, while everyone else makes do with those who are left over, because it's what god wants.

Well you're right about that too. It all depends on the ground rules you set up in the beginning. If you go with being an enlightened saint-type cult leader, your boinking the followers might disillusion people. People see it as taking advantage of your position. That's what happened to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Beatles' guru. And many other of the lesser gurus that pop up in the current New Age community. The problem is these guys were doing their bopping secretly on the sly. The cult leader can't be slipping around and hiding things like that-- it seems deceitful, and that undermines his prestige as a Higher and Wiser Enlightened One.

But, as you said, there's always the option of using the 'patriarch of the people' model. The leader is so above the followers that it's just his duty to spread his divineness to all ofthe females of the group. That model requires having more personal authority over the flock, so it's only recommended for the advanced cult leader.

I think you might have to be careful about trying a 'free love' model. That kind of implies that each person is free to do whatever they want. Any time the word free comes up, you need to take notice and take precautions. Also, that freedom of promiscuous choice implies that each member is equal. Equal to you, if you choose to join in the fun. If a cult leader ever has both freedom and equality going on in his group, he might as well start looking for another job. Now he's got a commune instead of a cult, and he's just one of the commune hippies.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2012-12-12 21:53:41 UTC
Agreed.

But their most difficult decision is deciding which flavor of Kool-Aid to choose.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#34 - 2012-12-12 22:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
The plan to survive 2012
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I'm in it for the money

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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#35 - 2012-12-12 22:50:23 UTC
I have my Max Brooks collection in hand and hoping that someone got a prediction right!!


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Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-13 03:03:59 UTC
ISD Cyberdyne wrote:
I have my Max Brooks collection in hand and hoping that someone got a prediction right!!



LOL

"Kind of like the Caldari version of Adama I guess." -Kairavi Mrithyakara
pussnheels
Viziam
#37 - 2012-12-13 07:50:44 UTC
it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies
Using a bunch of pseudo science that makes every scientist raise a eyebrow

lets see what is happening shall we

Mayan calender ends december 21 2012 , ok fair enough but fact is that we still don't really know how that calender works , nobody does
and assuming the mayans knew the universe better than we
here is the mayan view of the universe ; it was created 13000 bc and earth is flat and rests on the back of a crocodile which has its home in some pool ... goohh great where is gallileo and newton when you need them
this alignment happens every year on december 21

solar flares what they do not tell you is
every 12 or 13 years the sun goes into a cycle of activity , this year we had the 2 largest ejections of solar mass ever recorded and only effect it had were some fascinating nightskies near the polarcircles


sudden polar shifts
, again what they do not tell you is
this happens every few 200000 years and each time it takes something like 25 000 years in geologiacal terms this is really suddenly fast

planet nibiru
not even going to start on that

and forget all the other prophecies like nostradamus and other charlatans
you can read that in 1001 ways , you can read that the world will end or you can read that the 21 s i will go to macdonalds and buy myself 2 giant burgers with a big pack of french fries ( probably more dangerous for my health than all those propheciesà

scamming and scarring people with pseudo sciences to gain finacial gains should be a serious crime

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#38 - 2012-12-13 08:14:17 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies


i'm kinda of the opinion that people that get scammed in this way kinda deserve it because they are well...for lack of a better word for it...

dumb.
pussnheels
Viziam
#39 - 2012-12-13 08:33:45 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies


i'm kinda of the opinion that people that get scammed in this way kinda deserve it because they are well...for lack of a better word for it...

dumb.

maybe , but we are not all astro physicians and when they start bombarding you with a awhole lot of pseudo science , that sounds very convincing for the average person ,
Media itself is partly to blame
just look at the amount of documantries on history vhannel and similair tv channels about the upcomming doomsday in the last 2 years
All of them pretty onesided on how gruesome we will end with not a single objective view that actual debunked in a rational and scientific way the whole end of the world theory
scaring people out of commercial interests has nothing to do with educating or informing people

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#40 - 2012-12-13 08:39:35 UTC
ah, yes. the history channel. i remember, when i was just little, that it used to actually show history shows. hard pressed to find a program on history or discovery or even national geographic these days that isn't some "educational" reality show.