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To CCP: If OGB is being removed Is there going to be a SP refund?
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Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#41 - 2012-12-12 17:26:48 UTC
This will simply favor blobs, putting small alliances at an even bigger disadvantage defense wise. Im against this for that reason.

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Gangname Style
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-12-12 17:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gangname Style
Aramatheia wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Offgrid boosters is what is keeping solo and small gang alive. Removing them is completely, 100% ********. Keep them CCP, or lose most of ur old-school PvP players that have been playing for almost over 6+ years.

OGB are the only thing actually enabling us to fight the small gangs you see around now. Unless u want to give us some sort of skills that increase the tank to that of having an offgrid booster, buti dont work when u got ongrid one......


For so many l337 peeveepee'ers around here, an awful lot seem to want combat without the risk of losing a ship. Curious...

lrn2eve


edit: speeeling


learn to scan down ships in space? i got the secondary scan skills to like... lvl 2 and i have scanned down much stuff with a meta combat probe launcher fitted to a t1 frigate, heck even a t1 battlecruiser.

To counter boosters hiding inside a bubble. Make the bubble act like a station dock up when activated, all ships inside it are unable to operate modules or the bubble itself just blocks everything from passing in or out


Seriously ^.

Guy trains an OGB. How to do counter? Train to probe.

Derps can't think of a solution to anything that they can't see and shoot infront of them.

But CCP made their decision. So I want an SP refund if they ever make this change.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#43 - 2012-12-12 17:30:12 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
fukier wrote:
no.

he is talking about off grid boosting...

he is upset that in the future you will have to risk your ship to provide game breaking bonus to fleet ships...


nope think again.

totally fine with ogb removal, not fine with my alt becoming worthless after months of training skills for OGB.

So finish the training you need to be an *on* grid booster. It isn't that much more, and maybe you can even do some reps or shoot something while you're there.

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#44 - 2012-12-12 17:39:27 UTC
People weren't refunded SP after nano changes, removal of super nos, supercap nerf, ect. Nerfs happen, deal with it. You can't train for a mechanic that is so obviously broken and then act surprised when it's changed.

Adapt or die.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-12 17:41:32 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:


Do you even think before you post?



You clearly didn't.





CCP changed the game ..... so im just going to say what normally every nulseccer, pvper and ganker would be posting

Adapt or HTFU
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-12-12 17:41:54 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
They didn't reimburse SP after they removed drones from super pilots, and that was a much bigger loss than OGB becoming slightly less useful. CCP don't like to reimburse skills.


Thats different. Removing the ability to off grid boost is removing the value of training an offgrid boosting ship like a tengu or a loki.

Or training the command module. There is no viable use of that module other than an OGB.




You mean all this time running 2 man L4 missions grinds with a tengu pilot boosting me has been wrong?

And I took the time to look up the new descriptions, and referenced old (yay wiki and google) and nowhere did it mention obg, or even off grid boosting. It did mention ON though on those external sites.

In short, I don't see where your complaint is coming from, not via ingame descriptions, or google. I did see the patch notes and read incursion fleet channels that require boosters to be in fleet.

Is that what you mean? You can't keep your ship hidden and easymoding your pvp, therefore you're saying pvp is worthless because you are on an even playing field?

At any rate, sorry to hear your tengu is worthless. That's a shame. Contract it to me if you like, I'll send the processed materials back to you for free if you prefer.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#47 - 2012-12-12 17:54:24 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Offgrid boosters is what is keeping solo and small gang alive. Removing them is completely, 100% ********. Keep them CCP, or lose most of ur old-school PvP players that have been playing for almost over 6+ years.

OGB are the only thing actually enabling us to fight the small gangs you see around now. Unless u want to give us some sort of skills that increase the tank to that of having an offgrid booster, buti dont work when u got ongrid one......



Really?

We rarely use them. Seem to do fine.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-12-12 17:59:09 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
I train OGB on my alt so that I compete with other OGB fleets.

I'm happy it is being removed, but I also expect them to refund my SP for all my OGB skills.

This isn't the same situation as a nerf. The OGB removal will literally make my alt worthless.


Good luck with that. Start your alt on the path to command ships now, is my advice.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
GreenSeed
#49 - 2012-12-12 18:04:39 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Offgrid boosters is what is keeping solo and small gang alive. Removing them is completely, 100% ********. Keep them CCP, or lose most of ur old-school PvP players that have been playing for almost over 6+ years.

OGB are the only thing actually enabling us to fight the small gangs you see around now. Unless u want to give us some sort of skills that increase the tank to that of having an offgrid booster, buti dont work when u got ongrid one......

Why is off-grid boosting the only thing enabling small gang fights?


dont try to reason with him... he has the typical child like mentality that cant understand that if he loses his +32% shield resists and his target does too, the playing field is leveled again.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-12-12 18:04:41 UTC
We do 60j roams in lowsec to null and float all over the place with no booster. Works well enough.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2012-12-12 18:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Quote:


Seriously ^.

Guy trains an OGB. How to do counter? Train to probe.

Derps can't think of a solution to anything that they can't see and shoot infront of them.

But CCP made their decision. So I want an SP refund if they ever make this change.

Just pointing out that I can evade max skilled probers all day in a battleship. A cruiser flown right can never be pfobed down
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-12-12 18:09:51 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
fukier wrote:
no.

he is talking about off grid boosting...

he is upset that in the future you will have to risk your ship to provide game breaking bonus to fleet ships...


nope think again.

totally fine with ogb removal, not fine with my alt becoming worthless after months of training skills for OGB.



Welcome to Eve, try training Carriers to 5 Fighters to 5, FB to 5, get a nice shiny Nyx, then have CCP make it worthless due to short sighted planning with moon goo isk faucets.

Until you have that many wasted SP, you have no reason to complain....


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
ashley Eoner
#53 - 2012-12-12 18:31:40 UTC
Well guess it sucks to be the newbies that will no longer get orca buffs from me.

Fits right in line with the fact that newbies are no longer able to tag along when I'm doing level four missions (constant ship replacement isn't worth it).
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#54 - 2012-12-12 18:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Gangname Style wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Gangname Style wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
They didn't reimburse SP after they removed drones from super pilots, and that was a much bigger loss than OGB becoming slightly less useful. CCP don't like to reimburse skills.


Thats different. Removing the ability to off grid boost is removing the value of training an offgrid boosting ship like a tengu or a loki.

Or training the command module. There is no viable use of that module other than an OGB.



... because a Tengu or a Loki can't survive on grid while boosting.... Big smile


Do you actually play the game? Or just pretend to?


Yeah, like anybody is going to fly a ship that costs atleast 500mil on grid with about 2k ehp, loss of SP on death, and no prop mod ON grid.

rofl you guys.

And rorq pilots?

I'm pretty sure only a total of one will fly that on grid and then learn a hard lesson in why its a completely bad idea.

LOL.

I never said you would be able to run those ships fitted exactly as you do now. You'll actually have to consider survival and evasion in how you fit your boosting T3, instead of purely for boosting... like every other ship in EvE. You might even find a Command ship to be more appropriate in some situations (shocking, I know).

Apparently that is "impossible" and anyone who knows otherwise doesn't actually play the game. Big smileBig smileBig smile

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YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-12-12 18:39:20 UTC
Gangname Style wrote:
I train OGB on my alt so that I compete with other OGB fleets.

I'm happy it is being removed, but I also expect them to refund my SP for all my OGB skills.

This isn't the same situation as a nerf. The OGB removal will literally make my alt worthless.



No skills are being nerfed by this. The only change is you might actually have to fit the ship, and perhaps grow a pair?

I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2012-12-12 18:39:37 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Well guess it sucks to be the newbies that will no longer get orca buffs from me.

Fits right in line with the fact that newbies are no longer able to tag along when I'm doing level four missions (constant ship replacement isn't worth it).

Why do you keep the orca off grid?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#57 - 2012-12-12 18:41:44 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Well guess it sucks to be the newbies that will no longer get orca buffs from me.

Fits right in line with the fact that newbies are no longer able to tag along when I'm doing level four missions (constant ship replacement isn't worth it).

Alternatively you could show your newbie how not to needlessly die all the time. Blink

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ashley Eoner
#58 - 2012-12-12 18:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
baltec1 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Well guess it sucks to be the newbies that will no longer get orca buffs from me.

Fits right in line with the fact that newbies are no longer able to tag along when I'm doing level four missions (constant ship replacement isn't worth it).

Why do you keep the orca off grid?

Because I don't want them mining under my fleet? I give buffs as a reward for miners leaving a field to me or to newbies that happen to be in system.


Quote:
Alternatively you could show your newbie how not to needlessly die all the time. Blink
What am I supposed to tell them to do when they arrive on grid and I'm dealing with ANOTHER full room pull because of the dumb AI and 6 or 12 frigates decide to nuke the newbie? The only real solution is to have them sit of to the side for most of the battle in which case I'd be better off just giving them money. Since frankly it's not worth my time to try to swat the frigates first so a newbie can participate..
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#59 - 2012-12-12 18:56:10 UTC
As many people who actually play this game have pointed out already. Off grid boosters helps smaller gangs/alliances fight the blobs, and also who says the t3s arent at risk? If you think that you're clearly dumb because you don't know what a Probe launcher does, they aren't just for scanning plexes down you know kids.
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#60 - 2012-12-12 18:58:02 UTC
Haven't people known for like.. months that this was coming eventually?

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