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just a detail about npc microwarpdrives and a suggestion about drone bays.
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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#1 - 2012-12-12 01:21:49 UTC
has anyone noticed that when an npc turns up its mwd its signature dosnt increases ?

and... now that npcs decided drones are worth killing along with your ship, maybe CCP could increase all the ship drone bays as to carry extra drones to deal with the loses during long battles?.

I don't care about losing drones but having to leave an anom or a mission at half run because I ran out of drones just to get more at the station is quite annoying.

additionally now that drones are doing serious damage with drone amplifiers they are starting to get snipped quite more often in player skirmishes.

so we really need to get some extra large drone bays... please?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2012-12-12 01:23:35 UTC
What!??!?! Drones are now a depleteable weapon system like ammo and crystals?!?!?! Surely this isnt fair! Please, go on.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#3 - 2012-12-12 01:27:56 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
What!??!?! Drones are now a depleteable weapon system like ammo and crystals?!?!?! Surely this isnt fair! Please, go on.


I like them to be depletable, it should have been this way always O,o I m not saying they should not pop, I m saying we need larger bays to accommodate more drones to pop.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-12-12 01:39:19 UTC
Easy way to fix this would be to make it possible for drones to be moved from the cargo bay into the drone bay while in space.

Then extra drones could be carried like extra ammo in the cargo bay. Reload a gun... reload a drone bay. Same concept.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#5 - 2012-12-12 01:40:27 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Easy way to fix this would be to make it possible for drones to be moved from the cargo bay into the drone bay while in space.

Then extra drones could be carried like extra ammo in the cargo bay. Reload a gun... reload a drone bay. Same concept.

^^^^^ this please
Pretty GuyYeah
#6 - 2012-12-12 03:00:58 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Easy way to fix this would be to make it possible for drones to be moved from the cargo bay into the drone bay while in space.

Then extra drones could be carried like extra ammo in the cargo bay. Reload a gun... reload a drone bay. Same concept.


Apart from the price being a thousand times bigger. But yeah, you're right about how quick they vanish.

Post with your main.

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Usagi Toshiro
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#7 - 2012-12-12 03:39:20 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Easy way to fix this would be to make it possible for drones to be moved from the cargo bay into the drone bay while in space.

Then extra drones could be carried like extra ammo in the cargo bay. Reload a gun... reload a drone bay. Same concept.


Please and thank you.

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Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-12 03:43:17 UTC
that was long time ago possible and has been exploited and removed. i saw youtube vids , but was actually before my time
Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2012-12-12 04:03:29 UTC
They did increase the drone bays in the ships they were revamping ... unfortunately that doesn't help all the ships they haven't gotten to yet.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#10 - 2012-12-12 04:07:11 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
What!??!?! Drones are now a depleteable weapon system like ammo and crystals?!?!?! Surely this isnt fair! Please, go on.



Run a mission/site/whatev with 5 bullets before you spout garbage please?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#11 - 2012-12-12 04:11:39 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:

and... now that npcs decided drones are worth killing along with your ship, maybe CCP could increase all the ship drone bays as to carry extra drones to deal with the loses during long battles?.


What drone losses?

Learn to use drones. Yeah sure if you just let them engage stuff automatically, they are going to get blapped. Kill the stuff that can track your drones best, first. I haven't lost a drone since the patch. Had a few dinged into armor, but not actually lost one.
Rengerel en Distel
#12 - 2012-12-12 04:20:43 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:

and... now that npcs decided drones are worth killing along with your ship, maybe CCP could increase all the ship drone bays as to carry extra drones to deal with the loses during long battles?.


What drone losses?

Learn to use drones. Yeah sure if you just let them engage stuff automatically, they are going to get blapped. Kill the stuff that can track your drones best, first. I haven't lost a drone since the patch. Had a few dinged into armor, but not actually lost one.


There are a lot of people that have lost drones, just because you personally haven't doesn't mean there isn't an issue.
The fact CCP has said there is an issue means there is an issue.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2012-12-12 05:49:47 UTC
Another thing about using (and not losing) drones is one of skills.

Improve your Drone Durability and your drones can last longer. Improve their damage... well, you get the idea.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#14 - 2012-12-12 15:07:52 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Another thing about using (and not losing) drones is one of skills.

Improve your Drone Durability and your drones can last longer. Improve their damage... well, you get the idea.




maxed drone skills, and some drones are getting one shooted.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-12 15:21:48 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
What!??!?! Drones are now a depleteable weapon system like ammo and crystals?!?!?! Surely this isnt fair! Please, go on.


Except most ships can carry between 2,000 and 10,000 rounds of ammo. And most rebalanced Gallente hulls can only carry 1.25-2.5 flights of drones...

Don't get me wrong, if drones are to be like ammo, I'm totally for that! Just the drone bay has to be increased 1000x, and drone production blueprints changed to produce a hundred drones per production cycle for the same materials, instead of just a single drone.
Mirima Thurander
#16 - 2012-12-12 15:30:50 UTC
There's 3/10 site for blood raiders that's got 5 pockets full of nothing but frigs I used to run it with a vexor and warrior 2s now as soon as I launch drones this frigs pop them INSTANTLY because ever rooms full of 15 or more frigs.

So yes some things ARE impossible too do with drones now.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#17 - 2012-12-12 15:46:20 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
has anyone noticed that when an npc turns up its mwd its signature dosnt increases ?


I've actually noticed the opposite. A frig npc with its MWD on is much easier to pop with sentry drones or an Oracle than one without it on.

NPCs with MWD on is also why you keep losing your drones. When drones turn on their MWD, they are easy targets for the rats.

Mitigate this by getting close to your target first, then release your drones. They won't use their MWD this way.



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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#18 - 2012-12-12 18:06:54 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
has anyone noticed that when an npc turns up its mwd its signature dosnt increases ?


I've actually noticed the opposite. A frig npc with its MWD on is much easier to pop with sentry drones or an Oracle than one without it on.

NPCs with MWD on is also why you keep losing your drones. When drones turn on their MWD, they are easy targets for the rats.

Mitigate this by getting close to your target first, then release your drones. They won't use their MWD this way.






actually the mwd issue, looks apparent when using torpedos against some battlecruisers, even if their signature its 4 kilometers or should be 4 kilometers they are still cutting all the damage pretty much.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2012-12-12 18:27:33 UTC
Drones are a supplementary weapon system on most ships, so they don't need a bay buff.
Ships that use primarily drones have enough drone bay for a couple extra flights, so they don't need a change.

Drone AI needs fixed, though.
Dave Stark
#20 - 2012-12-12 18:29:49 UTC
have you ever thought about actually paying attention to your drone window instead of just deploying them and going afk?

no? well maybe you should.
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