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CCP a response to how you think the drone change has gone down?

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-12 17:11:10 UTC
Drones for PVP is a moot point, but PVE is a different ball game.

The Dominix Ishtar and Ishkur are now useless for PVE. These are dedicated drone boats being placed on the top shelf left to rot.

Doesn't it seem a little stupid to force some of the best boats....to rot?

Its kinda like taking away the rep power bonus from the Archon. What use does it have over any other carrier?

I think the Drone AI needed a push up the backside but i think perhaps CCP have done the usual and perhaps over compensated as normal.

On dedicated drone boats I think they should now give a new bonus of drone hitpoints per level for sentries/combats as well as MWD speed bonus for combat drones [non fighter]
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-12 17:13:22 UTC
This thread again?

Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-12 17:16:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This thread again?

Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones.


Thats just it, I dont fail at drones :) I cant be arsed to pull sentries every 5 seconds. The game begins to get boring fast.

In fact its fair to assume that tracking and speed need to be looked at because how a cruiser tracks anything going 5000 MS is beyond me :P
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2012-12-12 17:16:59 UTC
Ooooh, another dronewhine thread. Ill sit this one out and let everyone else take a whack at it.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-12 17:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief
Arguably, there was no drone change. There hasn't been a drone change for a very long time. Which I feel is the root of the whole issue.

The AI change, which did affect drones, is fairly nasty. Manageable, which I readily admit, but nasty nonetheless. It did not improve my quality of life or the fun I normally would have (precious little) doing EVE's mind-numbing PvE. When you consider the fact that other weapon systems are arguably more effective and/or efficient, and the fact that other weapon systems are vastly more popular (see EVEKill top 20 ships -> no drone boats!) for a number of reasons, I don't know why this was done to drone users. Feels like kicking someone who is already down, and has been for quite a while.

Drones need an overhaul. A massive one. Starting with the UI, the stats of drones themselves, their combat mechanics - the works. Basically tear-down and rebuild from scratch. Hopefully some of the antiquated paradigms (like the 5-drone limit) can be addressed as well. There was a reason for this when it was introduced (in 2007?) but servers changed since then, and now we have TiDi, so mechanically it shouldn't be a problem any more. And even if it is, I'm sure there's solutions that can be tried.

And yes, like you I would very much like to see any Dev comment on the drone issue. So far, it's been over a week and not a peep from anyone. A simple "we won't be touching drones in near future" would be more than sufficient to let us know, so we can cross-train and stop wasting time. Honestly, if they just told us, openly "If you're a drone user, you're ****ed!" I would be totally fine with that. I just need information! Talk to us!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-12 17:18:54 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ooooh, another dronewhine thread. Ill sit this one out and let everyone else take a whack at it.


I just thought I'd point out to him that this thread was already in progress. Nothing more to say here, Falcon et al will be along soon enough to lock it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-12 17:19:36 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This thread again?

Seriously, this is just getting old. Quit EVE. If you're too useless to use the search function or read the forums before posting the same thing already being discussed, then it's no wonder you fail at drones.


Thats just it, I dont fail at drones :) I cant be arsed to pull sentries every 5 seconds. The game begins to get boring fast.

In fact its fair to assume that tracking and speed need to be looked at because how a cruiser tracks anything going 5000 MS is beyond me :P




By stating that the above boats you mentioned are now useless, you obviously suck at drones.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2012-12-12 17:22:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


By stating that the above boats you mentioned are now useless, you obviously suck at drones.


The force. Its strong with this one.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-12 17:22:56 UTC
This isnt a rant though so it should be allowed to continue.

I have an issue with threads getting locked constantly because in my eyes that's a sure sign of knowing they've done wrong and don't want to comment or have their game look bad.

What do server hosters in FPS game do to better players? they get kickbanned...because the bad player hates looking bad.

Same here in truth. I think the community should have a place to say what they think, more so we have a right to voice our opinion as its us directly funding CCP as a company.

Without us CCP liquidates.

Its that simple.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-12 17:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
TriadSte wrote:
This isnt a rant though so it should be allowed to continue.

I have an issue with threads getting locked constantly because in my eyes that's a sure sign of knowing they've done wrong and don't want to comment or have their game look bad.

What do server hosters in FPS game do to better players? they get kickbanned...because the bad player hates looking bad.

Same here in truth. I think the community should have a place to say what they think, more so we have a right to voice our opinion as its us directly funding CCP as a company.

Without us CCP liquidates.

Its that simple.


It's a redundant thread. Already in progress. You don't start a new one, you add your "not a rant" to an existing one.

They will lock it because it's not necessary, this discussion is already taking place. They're not trying to silence anyone, they lock redundant threads to keep the front page of the forums clear for as many topics open for discussion as possible. Why don't you check a few out, you might find the one you are looking for.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-12 17:28:30 UTC
Its in my opinion the more threads get started the more CCP will take notice and take action.

Lets be fair, the other threads are being purposefully ignored.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-12 17:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
TriadSte wrote:
Its in my opinion the more threads get started the more CCP will take notice and take action.

Lets be fair, the other threads are being purposefully ignored.


Your opinion is one opinion out of thousands. Why should yours have more weight to deserve a new thread?

If you think threads are being purposefully ignored, then why do you think making a new one will make a difference? Ignoring threads is a passive activity.

CCP has taken notice, and they, like the majority of players, like what they see. Some bugs were patched today, but the AI is now working as intended.

Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-12 17:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.


If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-12 17:49:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-12 17:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
TriadSte wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.


If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread.


What?

You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing??

That's your problem right there.

If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#16 - 2012-12-12 17:56:13 UTC
This is very good!
Those new AI threads should never die untill the actual issue fix.

I'm planning to make my own thread too, when others run out of stamina n' ideas Twisted

Whatever.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-12 18:12:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.


If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread.


What?

You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing??

That's your problem right there.

If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled.


Kids can demand anything they want, they didn't ask to be here so as a parent you do everything for them. The tantrum thing is dependant on what its about. That 2nd chocolate bar then sure the tantrum would continue.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-12 18:16:52 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Honestly, this making a new thread just to get their attention is no different from a child throwing a tantrum for the same thing.


If that child has decent caring parents they will give the child what's needed for said child to calm down. More than likely it will be attention so thanks for adding that extra dimension to my thread.


What?

You think teaching children that they'll get what they want if they stomp their feet for it is a good thing??

That's your problem right there.

If that child has decent, caring parents, they'll teach that child that you don't always get what you want, especially if you demand it as if you think yourself entitled.


Kids can demand anything they want, they didn't ask to be here so as a parent you do everything for them. The tantrum thing is dependant on what its about. That 2nd chocolate bar then sure the tantrum would continue.





So what you're saying is, you feel the need to be coddled like a child? CCP aren't your parents, they are game devs. If you want hand-holding, enrol in daycare

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-12-12 18:19:44 UTC
I hear someone else is whining about not being able to deploy drones and go afk.
trited
#20 - 2012-12-12 18:25:06 UTC
I don't know what they might do to drones or what their plan is for drone boats, but I'd love to see my Ishtar have better bonuses to guns anyways. Not even gonna be a troll or complain about drones and the new ai nor will complaining people whine about their ship not being as effective in missions anymore. There is always a alternative plus we all don't know what ccp has on the chalk board for drone boat pilots.

http://youtu.be/8vdlqLGgrW0
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