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It seems to me that bounty payout needs to be somewhat lowish because the higher you push it the more you risk getting back into exploitable territory again where you insure unfit ships and through bounty payout and insurance turn yourself a profit.

Someone with more ambition than me would have to crunch the numbers to find that tipping point but there is a very serious risk of making bounties effectively equivalent of just paying your target directly if the percentage payout is too high.

By allowing you to claim bounties on corp mates / alliance mates / blues - it keeps the sandbox nature. One use of this is in corps like RvB where they could pay their pilots bounties for killing each other. And if we had the PvP contract system up and running, you could designate a specific system or constellation as your free-for-all location for your corp pilots to shoot at each other and claim bounties.

Both require the ability to shoot blues. (Which also provides a way to work off bounty amounts without losing ships to the opposition. With the bonus that your pilots get to have the fun instead of the opposition.)

The problem is, if the bounty + insurance payout reaches the value of the ship a person is flying, that person is likely to just kill himself with an alt to clear out the bounty and not have taken an actual loss. That's why the old system was broken.
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Anyways. I think 20% is a good baseline, but I think a bonus for high bounties should also be added, but it should still be capped at 30-40% of the loss

Yeah, can't say I can disagree with that.

You're right we should go back to the old system where a bounty was basically a tip that you got for making someone who didn't know how bounties work mad enough to put one on you. Great idea!

Ive been brainstorming since the new system went live.

While the 20% is nice to stop people from claiming their own bounties, it makes bounty hunting itself a little less interesting for the hunter-side.

Seeing a 1bil bounty person and managing to kill him for a mere 1isk bounty SUCKS.. to be honest.

Let me work with easy numbers here:

I am hunting someone with a bounty of 100 mil on his head.
I see said person in a ship worth 10mil, not knowing the fitting of the ship I calculate a bounty payout of 2mil.

Not worth it unless said person is flagged OR has killrights.


Lets try a different scenario though full payout of isk destroyed (of course no more than the actual bounty on a persons head)

I find someone with a 100mil bounty, in a 50mil ship and I know my 10mil ship can alpha him. If I dont mind the sec loss - I see a 40mil profit + loot.

If you always get the full payout of isk destroyed bounty hunters would even take the sec loss of a suicide gank to claim a bounty - while on the other hand the person with the bounty would make no profit.

Just my 2 iskies worth of thoughts :)

At that point, you can just game the system for personal profit.

You have to account for insurance and salvage. I think the break even point at putting a bounty on one of your alts and ganking them is somewhere around 40-45%. (I did the math at one point on a few ships, but can't remember at all)

The system isn't about making people no question targets, it's about making shootable people more shootable and giving you a bit more reason to suicide gank someone with a price on their head.

It does effectively mean the target can carry 20% less value on their ships before becoming a juicy suicide ganking target.

I'd hate to have my freighter alt end up with a sizable bounty.

Skill:

Bounty hunting I: Gain 5% more value out of a bounty per amount destroyed.
Bounty hunting V: Gain 25% more

Respect.

Make it so!

I have posted a solution to this problem before the new bounty-system was out. I think everybody had enough time to use it and it should be clear now that it does need tweaking.
Here my formula with variable bounties depending on the bounty on somebodies head:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2007183#post2007183