Ships & Modules

Venture is a gas miner. And it does a phenomenal job at it.

Yup, about damn time too.

^This. Move along.

I imagine it is there on the model for the future T2 version?

They did the same thing with the Corax. The model is built for 8 missiles yet they make it 7? Come on, at least get rid of the obvious missile spot then.

what are you BABBLING about?
venture is still FAR better than any of the mining frigs were before.
you just want to up its yield by 50% for no good reason other than, i assume, you want to make more isk.
train hulk skills like a normal miner so you can go complain about how the mack has made it obsolete...

EDIT:
there are also MANY ships that have utility highs that are modeled on the hull.
all BSs with more highs than turret slots for example (which is most of them).

And another...



Babbling? Sorry I thought this was a discussion forum? You know - where one person has a question or idea, other people present their ideas, pros, cons... that's sort of how this is supposed to work. It's not an exercise in trolling. Honeslty, can't anyone have a discussion on Eve forums without someone getting all b**chy? It's pretty sad.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Yes it's better, but it was supposed to be awesome. And yeah dude, I wanna make more isk. Last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with that.

Like I told old Paikis, I have another character who can fly an orca - this isn't personally about me - it's about the Venture.

Ok and who made this rubbish up about "utility highs being modelled on the hull". Man you people have no idea how things work do you? Yes of course utility mods show up on the hull - that's not the point. The point is that the ships in question, were designed by the art dept to have turrets of one sort or another on those areas of the ship. There are OTHER areas of the hull where utility mods are usually drawn. Put a salvager or a tractor beam or both on a Drake with 6 or 7 missile bays installed and see where the beams eminate from. It ain't the spare 8th missile port. That port is NEVER USED in this case. The utility mods are drawn as much smaller turrets in the middle of the hull. Why don't you people get your facts straight before you reply to posts?

CCP - you know what I am talking about. Please just ignore all this noise and fix the Venture. Thank you.

This ship already has a 100% bonus to mining yield. This means it effectively *HAS* 4 turrets. So this is a visual thing? You want it to look 'cooler' by having 4 lasers? Well, y'see here's the problem...

Miner II
CPU: 80
Power Grid: 4
Uses turret point.

200mm Autocannon II (the largest of the small autocannons)
CPU: 9
Power Grid: 4
Uses a turret point.

You want to allow people to put 4 full-sized small auto cannons onto this thing, and STILL have a pile of CPU and power grid left over. The reason why it has 2 hardpoints and a 100% bonus is to give it the 4 effective mining turrets without allowing it to be one of the best combat frigates in the game.

This ship is intended to be a stepping stone into the mining barges, and the best (just) gas miner. What it is NOT intended to be is an over the top combat frigate just so that it looks a bit better to a few people.

I'm not even going to go through your 'response' to my post, but I mean projection, and I typed projection. You will note that it is quite clearly spelled differently to conjecture. I'm not accusing you of making things up, I'm accusing you of projecting YOUR wants onto the newbies in an attempt to lend your complaint some credibility.

Fly a barge, you're not a newbie.

Ok bye ladies... Well while Paikis and Cirus get comfortable in a corner together somewhere, the "debate" meanwhile is far from over because we haven't solved the original problem yet.

But luckily for you guys, I have come up with a solution. But before we get to that there are some things that are obviously confusing certain people, so allow me to clarify...

Ok so yeah it was 3 turrets, not 4. 4 is just what CCP put in the trailer (for some weird reason), and not what I am proposing at all. All along I have been saying it should have 3 - the 3 it was designed to have. You see? You don't read anything properly or pay attention. How do you expect to make a useful contribution to anything if you can't even do that? smh

And yes this is partly a visual thing - I'm not a fleet commander who plays the entire game zoomed out to 200 clicks with the tactical overlay engaged. I have to sit and look at my ship quite a lot. So yes, appearance does matter. It matters to a large number of players. And again, I don't see anything wrong with that. And sir, my suggestion (it's not a complaint) doesn't need to be lent any credibility - one look at the Venture and anyone can see my point is positively overflowing with the stuff.

And yes, I am well aware that you could use it in combat, there are other threads where people suggest just that - ironically to gank miners. That's the part I was talking about with the hypothetical "gameplay guys" I mentioned saying you can't put 3 mining lasers on it etc etc.

But you know, they and Paikis make a good point - I mean we can't have miners being ganked by mining ships, that just seems... wrong. But there has to be a better solution than disabling one of the physical turret mounts and just tweaking the numbers on the remaining two to give it a higher yield. This has always been CCP's problem - they dont care one bit about immersion. I mean look at the unimaginative interface of the Eve client. It's like windows 95 ffs.

Ok so here's the good bit. Perhaps a better solution would be to either only allow the Venture to fit mining lasers and not weapon turrets. Or even, (since it's an ORE ship) create a new mining laser especially for the Venture, called a Micro Strip Miner? (Yeah - you can use that, CCP.) That would be cool. So the Venture would work like a mini barge. Man i should be on the CCP payroll.

And no one tell me it can't be done - CCP can do anything they want to - it's their world. They are as The Architect is to the Matrix.

I never understand why people are so opposed to change and would rather just put up with an inferior product, and try and comfort themselves with the most ridiculous reasons as to why the status-quo is ok. It's not ok. At all.

Perfection is beauty. The Venture as is stands is mess. It could be perfected as I have described above and become something beautiful, like the original designers intended. So I say again, fix the Venture please, CCP. Now we have the solution (as outlined above in the form of Micro Strip Miners), the debate is over. I would like to thank all contributors for their thoughts. Even though most of them sucked b*lls and weren't helpful or constructive or in any way geared towards finding a solution.

Go to work CCP

MO

Suddenly, you're not allowed to fit it how YOU like, you have to fit it how Miyuki wants it fit so that she can have her third (forth?) Miner II on it. Game balance be damned!

Looks *are* important, but they are not so important that overall game balance can be thrown out just so you can have an extra mining laser on one ship.