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Just reactivated - Scared to try Level 4's
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Vaelos Daoine
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-10 21:55:04 UTC
I've got like 19million SP, mostly in everything minmatar that helps me shoot stuff and maybe t2 light drones.

When I was last playing, I was running level 4's pretty handily in a shield tanked maelstrom. I read that there have been a lot of changes, and that people who could solo them before are getting their Battleships popped. I only have about 350 million isk, so I'm afraid to risk getting destroyed, as I'd have a hard time recouping the $$.

Are they as bad as the forums suggest?
Should I go back to doing level 3's till I get used to things again?
Are people grouping up to do level 4's now, and could I reasonably expect to find other players to group up with at mission hubs?
Is ratting in say 0.5 space or something semi-safe a better alternative now?

Thanks in advance =P

What?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2012-12-10 22:10:14 UTC
Can't say about L4s because I kinda stopped running them a moment before Retribution hit the servers but I can assure you that rats in 0.5 aren't even close in terms of income to fund anything. If talking about belt ratting being profitable it would be only in null, BS counting for 0.5 - 1.1 mil, only problem being with getting in and out and not get ganked in a process :)

Maybe you could try exploration? People say even hisec sites are profitable, lowsec being more likely to find real golden nuggets. But it is not reliable and steady income, a lot depends on luck so you need a lot of patience to survive dry periods.

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Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2012-12-10 22:19:10 UTC
your best bet it to avoid the non-spawn based missions (i.e. missions where you have 20-30 ships already there).

The assault
Vengeance
World's Collide
Mordus Headhunters

Are examples of what to avoid if you ship is not... up to par. The main reason being that the old mission triggers are not the same, and you basically get full room aggro as soon as you warp in. They are still doable, but much more difficult, and way more of a chance of getting you ship popped.

The spawn based missions (where there are triggers that spawn new mobs) have not changed much, if at all, in terms of difficulty.
Rhaetic
Black Ice Consortium
#4 - 2012-12-10 22:23:17 UTC
Don't go into a Level 4 in your Maelstrom; you will get blown up if you do. Trust me -- I shouldn't even have mine right now, and I wouldn't if not for a very lucky shot against a scrambling Frigate.

Find something else to do. If you are mostly combat trained I recommend finding an Incursion fleet to run with.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#5 - 2012-12-10 22:29:29 UTC
Rhaetic wrote:
Don't go into a Level 4 in your Maelstrom; you will get blown up if you do. Trust me -- I shouldn't even have mine right now, and I wouldn't if not for a very lucky shot against a scrambling Frigate.

Find something else to do. If you are mostly combat trained I recommend finding an Incursion fleet to run with.


I would not auto judge, i was able to get my mael up to 1200 dps tank without a LOT of isk, and 1200 dps tank can handle most of the screwed up lvl 4 missions.
Vaelos Daoine
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-10 23:22:19 UTC
Glad I asked before undocking to give it a whirl.

What's an Incursion fleet?

I'm tempted to just blow up a few dozen rifters pvp'ing in FW, but I was really hoping to find a way to earn enough to buy PLEX. =/
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-10 23:53:11 UTC
When in doubt, try a three. To be safe, try a few.

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-11 00:09:12 UTC
Sammybear wrote:
your best bet it to avoid the non-spawn based missions (i.e. missions where you have 20-30 ships already there).

The assault
Vengeance
World's Collide
Mordus Headhunters

Are examples of what to avoid if you ship is not... up to par. The main reason being that the old mission triggers are not the same, and you basically get full room aggro as soon as you warp in. They are still doable, but much more difficult, and way more of a chance of getting you ship popped.

The spawn based missions (where there are triggers that spawn new mobs) have not changed much, if at all, in terms of difficulty.


This.

Also minmatar are still the easiest faction to run for so you could give it a shot as long as you dont do the missions mentioned above. Reason minmatar space is easy is because angel ewar is a joke and they are always in your kill range.

Amarr and Gallente got hit the hardest with this patch so i dont reccomend you running missions in their space.

Caldari is the same as usual, boring.
Mr Pragmatic
#9 - 2012-12-11 10:20:43 UTC
Just avoid missions that have a full room as it is. and watch your drones.

If your tank is truly beast mode you can try the full aggro rooms I don't suggest it tho.

I did Worlds Collide with a buddy, He was in a mach and I was in a apocalypse, We did pretty Well.

Full aggro rooms you want two battle ships.

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Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-12-12 06:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6635
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
When in doubt, try a three. To be safe, try a few.


yeah, do this. or go straight into a level 4 with a buddy or two.

it's what I did. I discovered level 3's are still like stepping on snails.

so I took some level 4's and they were

duo of death (two ravens and 2 spider drones) easy
smuggler interception (ranged groups 50-75km away)... medium
pirate invasion (one of the more difficult tier of level 4's) was nervous to take

but through running the easier missions to test out the AI change, you get to know them again,

and level 4's feel the same as they did before retribution.

aggro triggers are left broken by retribution, but I never paid attention to aggro triggers.
I usually kill based on size, range, and angular velocity... stay ahead of waves, sure, but
I can't relate to people with trigger complaints.

I find the thought of a player tiptoeing around triggers comical. because:

real fleets would aggro immediately,
no corp or alliance has public, static damage type doctrine (like this http://i.imgur.com/FpD58.jpg)
real fleets would fit some battleships with scrams and webs. and neuts. and damps. and jams.
and then you'd really be screwed.
(can you imagine how many people would complain if CCP distributed the EWAR among battleships,
and not just to frigates!)
and have logi at range
and have decent fittings
and drones

the only way to make level 4 mission battleships weaker is not give them guns

and sure, avoid the full room missions if you need to, but you could also try asking for a mission partner in local

when was the last time you saw someone ask for help with a level 4 in local, and why not?

"i can't solo this mission"
then don't solo it?

EVE is the one MMO that has a consolidated server, so everyone can play together

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Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-12 09:32:33 UTC
I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2012-12-12 10:04:33 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about.


Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost.
No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-12-12 10:38:05 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about.


Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost.
No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank?

or better yet tell us where you mission, we'll come look for ourselves.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-12-12 10:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6635
yes me too, what is your fit

i have three that I can't decide how to use

(no, really, and I almost fitted these trimark II's)

http://i.imgur.com/yKbvD.png

I KNOW I KNOW... it's NOT an abaddon

I thought better of nerfing machs into abaddons and went out and got some abaddons

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-12 11:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Rain6635 wrote:
yes me too, what is your fit

i have three that I can't decide how to use

(no, really, and I almost fitted these trimark II's)

http://i.imgur.com/yKbvD.png

I KNOW I KNOW... it's NOT an abaddon

I thought better of nerfing machs into abaddons and went out and got some abaddons


What.... is this.....
I don't even....

So much wrong X 3

Do you have more isk than common sense ?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-12-12 12:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
it was a troll welp fit, to make poor pilots cry

(armor gang capital ship bumpers)

i downgraded to abaddons and just a "fit"

still have them, though, i could always fit the rigs and self destruct for the shiny, wtf lossmails

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Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-13 10:38:43 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about.


Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost.
No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank?

or better yet tell us where you mission, we'll come look for ourselves.


Highs: 800mm T2s and Drone Link Augmenter II
Meds: Gist C type invul x2, gist x - type large shield boost, shield boost amp t2, domination ab
Lows: 3x domination gyro, 3x tracking enhancer T2, capacitor flux coil T2.
Rigs: 3x CCC T1
Drones: your choice

DPS 1290 , Tank 1189

HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB.

@Daniel, Oh no I am so scared. Should come down to Old Man Star and say hi for me
Mund Richard
#18 - 2012-12-13 13:46:51 UTC
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB.
I have nothing to ask, not even the full cost of the setup (inc OGB and implants).

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-13 23:17:29 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Freundliches Feuer wrote:
HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB.
I have nothing to ask, not even the full cost of the setup (inc OGB and implants).


I can run that setup (and I did) fully T2 fit for a while and runs them just fine. Don't forget with 1k dps tank and moving over 500 m/s (which I dont even do anymore) you dont get almost any damage. And with all that faction, it permaruns, meaning if logofski by whatever reason, you are still safe and wont instadie from getting capped out and not being able to cap boost.
Warthogger Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-18 14:31:42 UTC
1200 dps tank is nothing my partner had 1600 stable tank in a napoc. i warped into second pocket in worlds collide an took normal aggro 4 bs 2 frigs the moment she warped in she got full pocket aggro an died with in 20 seconds. no way to escape. lucky i got away as the whole pocket reset when she poped.
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