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Best way to get into exploration

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Mnemosyne Gloob
#21 - 2012-07-12 11:20:45 UTC
I haven't probed in highsec since quite some time, so perhaps i don't know what's going on there - however i really don't like it when people say "unless you are in a T3, better not explore".

Yes you might be raced in most of the sought-after complexes, but it's not like there's nothing else that you could do as a beginning explorer. Radar sites, unrated sites (for instance the ones that don't take cruisers), and if you are lucky might even have time to do other sites before someone shows up.

You could even take a cheap cruiser like Vexor or Arbitrator, slap a cloak on it and go off to hunt Radar (now probably also Magnetometric) sites in lowsec. You can do this with very little skillpoints and it might just be better than hunting for them in highsec - plus you'd learn your ropes.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#22 - 2012-07-12 11:56:31 UTC
Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
I know this site, i used it more then 7 months ago.
But is it still accurate? i heard that the scanning system is changed, then 7 months ago
And whats the deviation? what does it do?? you get double signals??


Why don't you test it and find out?
Space Wanderer
#23 - 2012-07-12 12:25:40 UTC
Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
I know this site, i used it more then 7 months ago.
But is it still accurate? i heard that the scanning system is changed, then 7 months ago
And whats the deviation? what does it do?? you get double signals??


The scanning system was subject to profound changes, but nothing that would impact that tool, fortunately. Some of the signature sizes might have been changed, i suppose, but I have no specific reason to believe so.

Regarding deviation, that's a different parameter. It sets limits on how far the signal you see on your scan is from the site you are trying to scan. It doesn't have anything to do with double signals (unless changed in the last scan revamp). The double signals depend on probe placement.
Elisa Fir
Luminoctis
#24 - 2012-07-13 11:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elisa Fir
There are 8 different base signature strengths (or bands) 3 out of those only apply to wormholes and gravimetric sites.

for an exploration starter guide take a look at:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploration_guide

for more info on base signature strengths (aka signature bands) take a look at:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Base_Signature_Strength

for information about your Probe's Sensor Strength take a look at:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Signal_Strength

For a list of all the articles on exploration: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Exploration
Mark Douoglas Hamil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-07-16 10:41:09 UTC
i just found something,
If i scan with the yellow probes, i got 1.11 strenth at probe 32AU with distance 12 AU i got a RADAR
1.11 plus 12 ( and something) 1.23 almost 1.25
that was a RADAR
Mark Douoglas Hamil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-07-17 06:36:32 UTC
In the base signature guide he says 0.37 is in the 1/5 band (but this is 20.0%) so how must we interprete this? Does he actually mean 0.20%?
Mark Douoglas Hamil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-07-17 11:34:44 UTC
in the ship properties, radar or grav sensor strenght points bonus, what does this mean? that you find more radars of gravs? with that ship?
Terrsio Lenkhanz
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-07-17 12:30:56 UTC
Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
in the ship properties, radar or grav sensor strenght points bonus, what does this mean? that you find more radars of gravs? with that ship?

I believe you are referring to the sensor strength of the ship. Basically it is your targeting strength. Each different race has a different scanning sensor (Minmatar = Ladar, Amarr = Radar, Caldari = Gravimetric, Gallente = Magnretometric).

As far as I know this does not affect scanning probes and the strength of the signatures. What this sensor strength does affect is the performance of ECM (electronic countermeasures) jammers. If an ECM jam works on you, your targeting systems malfunction and you lose your targets and your ability to target for the duration of the jam. With a higher sensor strength, you are less susceptible to ECM jamming.
Elisa Fir
Luminoctis
#29 - 2012-07-17 12:55:44 UTC
Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
i just found something,
If i scan with the yellow probes, i got 1.11 strenth at probe 32AU with distance 12 AU i got a RADAR
1.11 plus 12 ( and something) 1.23 almost 1.25
that was a RADAR

Your 'yellow' core scanner probes are far from ideal to guestimate the base signature strength for a site, this is because there reported signal strength is heavily influenced by their distance to the site. For reliable results, Deep Space Scanner Probes are recommended.

Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
In the base signature guide it says 0.37 is in the 1/5 band (but this is 20.0%) so how must we interprete this? Does he actually mean 0.20%?

The guide is correct. The base signature strength of 20.0% (the 1/5 band), for this pilots using Deep Space Probes, his ship and his skills, is reported as 0.37% (He did not mean 0.20%, the math is explained in the article: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Signal_Strength )

It is not as complicated as it may seem, but this is still EVE, so expect things to require some calculations.
Mark Douoglas Hamil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-09-19 11:00:27 UTC
Well i used the DSP method and i find it not very useful, why?? I had a strenght of 7.5 so i got 0.14 (that could be a radar, unkown, grav, magnotmetric) or a 0.07 , same thing exept lesser unkonws (i mean fewer). I think the method is not bad but you still have to scan down to 25% to see if it is a radar or not. And except for (i think 3 signal strenghts) i'll scan down every one of them, still not knowing wat it could be. Well so yes i will probably scan those 3 signals as well (only 3, i do it very fast,so not many time wasted) .I can say that i can better gues with the sister probes and see (and saw) that it was a radar or a mag sites, wich i 'm hunting ive scanned more radars using my sisterprobes with a sister launcher then using DSP.
I think the method (DSP) would be very usefull if every type (mag, radar, unknown, ladar, grav) has its own strenght. exampl:Radar =0.14 (7.5 str dsp)
grav= 0.07, and so on
Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services
Intergalatic Complex Specialist
#31 - 2012-09-26 14:47:26 UTC
Infernal Travesty wrote:


Bear in mind that high sec exploration is highly contested. Suitable ships and fittings have been discussed time and time again, though most will usually say "get in a Tengu."




Yes, he speaks his own truth, mark this one. Watch for him in local. Hi Sec plex ganking are for the failed gatecampers of Eve.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#32 - 2012-09-26 17:58:17 UTC
Mark Douoglas Hamil wrote:
Well i used the DSP method and i find it not very useful, why?? I had a strenght of 7.5 so i got 0.14 (that could be a radar, unkown, grav, magnotmetric) or a 0.07 , same thing exept lesser unkonws (i mean fewer). I think the method is not bad but you still have to scan down to 25% to see if it is a radar or not. And except for (i think 3 signal strenghts) i'll scan down every one of them, still not knowing wat it could be. Well so yes i will probably scan those 3 signals as well (only 3, i do it very fast,so not many time wasted) .I can say that i can better gues with the sister probes and see (and saw) that it was a radar or a mag sites, wich i 'm hunting ive scanned more radars using my sisterprobes with a sister launcher then using DSP.
I think the method (DSP) would be very usefull if every type (mag, radar, unknown, ladar, grav) has its own strenght. exampl:Radar =0.14 (7.5 str dsp)
grav= 0.07, and so on


I think you don't fully understand the purpose of DSP. Nor do you seem to understand that the purpose we use them for was likely not an intended purpose by CCP.
Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#33 - 2012-12-10 23:57:09 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:


I think you don't fully understand the purpose of DSP. Nor do you seem to understand that the purpose we use them for was likely not an intended purpose by CCP.


Salazaar I think I speak for us all when I say that I find your tone and language highly offensive. And I don't care how you vocabulate your veiled rudeness, sooner or later you will be banned again.
Nose Todos
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-12-11 23:28:43 UTC
Hi guys,
I am also 'very new' to exploration and I think I would need your advices on the 'how to' thingy.

Basically I am still T1 Arbitrator fan until I can go for T2 and later Legion.. at least if you can help me getting started to make some money :D

I got good skills in exploration and can fit DSP. I would like to scan down Radar and Magneto sites to start with and go for DED sites with T2 or Legion.

BUT: I was scanning high-sec for the last 2 weeks and I can't find much sites. I told myself it's because of so many ppl scanning the systems and I am just too slow. That made me coming up with a low-sec route. I fitted a cloaking device and headed to low-sec in hope of finding fun Radar/Magneto sites for my Arbitrator to make some money. (I have to say that I made about 10mil with exploration the last 2 weeks and thats not what I expected.. Thats about 1,5h mining for me and I would like to have a similar result with exploration)

So Nose (thats me) went to low-sec, well prepared with looking on the 'ships destroyed' and 'average pilots in space' statistics. I was pretty safe with my Safespots and scanned about 10 systems in Minmatar low-sec.
I could not believe that I was not able to find a single Radar/Magneto site!!!

Of course I found cosmic anomalies.. but all of them Ladar sites with some WHs. I am seriously doubting if exploration is the right thing for me although I would love to get into this exciting profession.

I hope you guys can help me and/or tell me what I am doing wrong. The systems in high-sec were located in Metropolis and low-sec was Molden Heath.

Thank for any advice you could give!
Nose
Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#35 - 2012-12-12 06:06:49 UTC
Nose Todos wrote:
Stuff


Well, you have to be aware with the recent rebalance of scanning frigates a lot of people are getting into scanning. Even more so that unsual.

Give it a few weeks and as the excitment wears off only the few that actually got lucky on drops will stay and there will once again be more sites.

That said, always make sure you are in the right region in the first place. The following should help:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Radar_Site_List

Also, certain regions have more appeal for their relative safety i.e. Faction Warfare regions. You may also consider scanning at a different time of day if your schedule is flexible enough, simple because during primetime, high and lowsec are both too crowded to make it worthwhile.

A final thought, the more you get the hang of it the more you will be able to find and consequently the more money you will make. Truth is, until CCP does something about the highsec T3 farming beginner explorers will be at the short end income-wise. During prime-time you will be lucky to complete one or two sites over the span of a couple of hours on the average day.

Work with what you get, be patient. If you get discouraged and/or simply do it for the money then exploration simply is not for you.

Talemecus Valta
Fraternity Academy
#36 - 2012-12-12 12:30:42 UTC
Hi all,

This thread has been very informative as I still consider myself a noob at exploration.

However, since the rebalance of ships I've been using Sir Livingston's approach, which is to make an All In One exploration vessel.

I currently use a Vexor (T1), fitted out with the mandatory equipment (Salvager, Codebreaker, Analyzer, Core 1 probes etc), and this has netted me quite a few sites, most were wormholes, and I have been quite successful in finding mag sites.

Indeed a T3 cruiser like a Tengu or similar would be more successful, but as everyone knows, hard work pays off, and exploring sites does take time.

Keep at it, and your skill at finding sites, be they mag, radar, ladar or grav will increase, but bear in mind that CCP doesn't have the same site, at the same point, in the same system, or everyone will be fighting over the really good sites.



Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-12 13:50:56 UTC
MunnyRabbit wrote:
Does anyone have links to a good starter guide to exploration. Basically stuff like how exactly it brings in money, what exactly the items i will be needing and how they are used ect.


You need a cruiser with some tank, a probe launcher, and a lot of patience.

I think any of the new combat class cruisers can do the job, and T3 is the end of the food chain. If you are flying T1 then a vexor with 3 armor hardeners, damage control, armor rep and afterburner can tank all sites, if you have relevant skills at 4-5.

Code breaker, analyser and salvager can be useful to have, code breaker by fare being the most important. The analyzer and code breaker you can keep in the cargo hold, and fit them as needed. The same goes for the code breaker, if you have problems with the fit/cap.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Eight Two
SWIFT Inc.
#38 - 2012-12-12 21:57:57 UTC
Talemecus Valta wrote:

I currently use a Vexor (T1), fitted out with the mandatory equipment (Salvager, Codebreaker, Analyzer, Core 1 probes etc), and this has netted me quite a few sites, most were wormholes, and I have been quite successful in finding mag sites.




Let me pick up on this real quick, please refrain from using the Standard or RSS Core Probes. They pale in comparision to the Sister's Probes and these are not all that expensive. If you have money to spend, also invest in a Sster's core probe launcher to go along with it.

I know, fitting a 40 mil module on a 5 mil ship isn't exactly what a lot of people think is a smart idea, but really: going cheap on exploration rarely gets you anywhere.
Talemecus Valta
Fraternity Academy
#39 - 2012-12-13 09:38:48 UTC
Eight Two wrote:
Talemecus Valta wrote:

I currently use a Vexor (T1), fitted out with the mandatory equipment (Salvager, Codebreaker, Analyzer, Core 1 probes etc), and this has netted me quite a few sites, most were wormholes, and I have been quite successful in finding mag sites.




Let me pick up on this real quick, please refrain from using the Standard or RSS Core Probes. They pale in comparision to the Sister's Probes and these are not all that expensive. If you have money to spend, also invest in a Sster's core probe launcher to go along with it.

I know, fitting a 40 mil module on a 5 mil ship isn't exactly what a lot of people think is a smart idea, but really: going cheap on exploration rarely gets you anywhere.


I know that there is significantly better equipment out on the market for exploration, and it is a case of money, or lack thereof, that makes me use Core 1 probes.

I'm currently working my skills to qualify for an Ishtar.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ishtar

That way I can do a bit of missioning/ratting now and then.


Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

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