Missions & Complexes

Oh well, it seems to me that's pretty much very concrete scenario which moving DED plexes completely into exploration should fix but big chunk of lowsec pvp was taken away which makes it very bad case where PVE content wins with PVP aspect. And this should never happen in a game build around PVP.

But change will happen anyway and only hope in CSM members like Hans who promised making this issue one of discussion points at incoming summit. Hopefully we will at least get some response from devs on this subject because right now they seem to be more concerned about miner bumping than lowsec losing pvp opportunities.

The thing I'm curious about, how come these sites are most of the time empty except for the permacamp in the last room? I'm sure it's about the ton of PvP action

No matter if it's high or lowsec.

Take the following with tongue in cheek a bit but is it really THAT hard to scan down the system your beloved static is in and bookmark the sites than can be interesting for explorers? Like a 5/10 DED or a Radar site?

All you have to do then is wait until you see probes on DScan. Use your own Dscan to see which site the explorer is in and go right after him. Hell you can even camp the warp in gate on DED sites if you want. No combat scanner probes that a player could see involved.

Or maybe go for FW plexes now that there's close warp-in points. No scanning skills required whatsoever.

Again, is the above so hard to do? Or do you simply want easymode? As with all the myriad of changes that have been catering to the easymode PvP crowd these days. While we're at it, why not ask CCP for a giant perma-deathmatch arena in Jita? Hopefully the CSM will have that on their list as well.

Ridiculous how people always cry foul when there's just a tiny bit of extra effort involved for getting a cookie. Seriously.

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Well, you're acting like the static Plexes in lowsec are the only areas where you can find PvP at all. That is simply not true. These Plexes have been abused as easymode isk income for years.

If you want Plexes to find PvP use the FW Plexes, what's the problem with that? Maybe leaving the permacamped nutshell and the 60 mil isk drops behind?

There's a reason why it's hard to find fights at planets, belts, whatever celestial object these days and that revolves around people wanting to play safe. Camping Plexes to get fights where you can control shipsize, batphones, log-off traps. Been on both sides, have t-shirt. You want small scale fights? Good, hop into a milita, warp to FW plex, join RvB or jump into a transit low-high system. That's four easy other possibilities I just made appear out of nowhere. Can you feel the magic?

The thing is, Eve is not a PvP game as you so eloquently stated it's a sandbox. The fix is coming to a broken part of the system that allows zero effort/max reward farming in underfitted T1 frigs. The sandbox is still there for you to discover the other 200 ways of getting "competitive" fights. You're crying fould before you ever even tried to do something different. Well fkin played.

If you really need a few statics to find your fights, why not pick up on CCP's idea of adding sec-status buff tags? Make them drop in specific static lowsec sites. Again, I am under the impression that it has to be DED sites. The only reason for that I can see is easy faction modules.

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I was the "originator" this time for removal of highsec statics. Don't blame me, static plexes are and have always been a bad idea, and the permacamping problem.

I can see what the OP is getting at, and I agree (partially).

However,

1) Let 1/10s and 2/10s in hisec, remain in the exploration system (as has been changed and will become active on the 4th).
2) Allow static plexes in losec to remain as they are.

To be honest, I expected them just to fix the exploit, this was the harsher of the two options.

I still think the camping problem won't go away, if someone remains in a site once it is located with probes anyway - depends on how they've implemented it - maybe only 1 key spawns ever for that site - remains to be seen.

Now given the 1) and 2) above, hopefully every one is happy. (Someone will still ***** anyway, but can't make everyone happy).

They shouldn't respawn in the same system IMHO, especially if they're just going to reappear on the Overview. If players want to learn how to use scanner probes with signatures that are definitely in a system they can do the tutorial missions. Beginner sites for new players should have them flying all over New Eden looking for sites to scan down, not sitting in one system.

As for the PvPers, I agree that low-sec needs every bit of help getting more PvP to happen. The two suggestions I've seen so far that I like most are player-built acceleration gates, and taking FW beacons and removing the NPCs from them, keeping the acceleration gates and Overview beacons.

So you guys are upset that you may lose a way for you to sit around doing nothing until you can gank someone?


Here let me say a few things that people like you are saying to people like me who don't like the drone changes.



My tear jar is overflowing with tears.

Maybe you should adapt herp derp.

I definately agree that the complexes were being camped too much.
I agree that t2 and pirate ships should not have ever been allowed in the 1/10 sites.
I agree that preventing the respawn if a room is occupied would have resolved the large part of the complaints.

I disagree with anyone who sits in a room waiting for it to respawn and clearing loots while preventing other players who have cleared the first room from ever having a shot at running the complex.

I agree that systems were popultaed based on location of certain 1/10 and 2/10 sites.

I agree that the same system for a spawn to reappear would be less benefitial than having it in the same constellation.

Not found one yet, but random is random. Will comment on the "campability" when I find one, I'll see if the spawn mechanic is the same. Maybe once you find one you can still sit in the last room and cherry pick the overseer. If it is, then the problem still isn't fixed, just sort of mitigated.

was it me? I hope not. lol

I fitted myself up a Probe just to look for them :B

No one I've spoken to has seen any DED 1/10 or 2/10 yet.

Yes, random is random, but this is kinda... worrying. Was hoping the 1/10 would be the most common DED to find