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Rokhs and Tengus

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Fenix Vale
Tantalus Shipping Co.
#1 - 2012-12-10 18:04:35 UTC
I just started back into EVE Online, and I had originally trained into flying the Rokh battleship. It was fitted and a player back when i last played told me this fitting was alright (it was purchased with the ship). Well I showed it to another player in the help channel and he told me it was all wrong. I wouldnt be able to mission run or PVP properly in it, and we had to spend all of the money I had to try and refit it, and I need to train skills more as well.

My question is, what skills are recommended to have upgraded for piloting a Rokh properly?

As well, I am interested in also training into the Tengu as well. This ship interested me as I often see them wrecking larger ships and just being overall great for combat.

My EVEBoard


On a side question, using my skills from my eveboard, could you recommend a ship and fitting that is small for me to use on the side for now as well for mission running, etc? I was running low level missions last night to get used to the game again and I would constantly not be able to pull a battleship because its too big for acceleration gates.


I know this is asking a lot and kind of vague, but my mind is kind of jumbled today and I just need help.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-12-10 18:40:44 UTC
Well you can do missions in a Rokh, they just aren't the greatest for that. It lacks a damage bonus, and are intended to be a rail sniping ship, though if you have really good skills (you don't) one can use a Rokh with blasters.

Your skills are really low for a battleship, in my opinion. I personally wouldn't recommend using one until you had level 4 in all defensive and core skills, so you can at least use T2 modules in your mid and low slots.

I'd recommend you spend some more time in a Ferox, and if you really want to pursue hybrid turrets, consider Gallente ships as Caldari are primarily missile boats (Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven).
Fenix Vale
Tantalus Shipping Co.
#3 - 2012-12-10 18:54:12 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Well you can do missions in a Rokh, they just aren't the greatest for that. It lacks a damage bonus, and are intended to be a rail sniping ship, though if you have really good skills (you don't) one can use a Rokh with blasters.

Your skills are really low for a battleship, in my opinion. I personally wouldn't recommend using one until you had level 4 in all defensive and core skills, so you can at least use T2 modules in your mid and low slots.

I'd recommend you spend some more time in a Ferox, and if you really want to pursue hybrid turrets, consider Gallente ships as Caldari are primarily missile boats (Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven).



Well I hear the rail sniper builds are fairly good, high damage from about 250km away. THats something I wouldnt mind doing either. The thing is I dont have the funds or the knowledge to build into this ship, or any other right now which is why i inquired about the tengu and some smaller class mission runners.

Originally when i started on this before now, I was told to choose a ship, buy it fast, and train into the skills. obviously this was bad advice since I have about 500k isk now and still lack proper skills for piloting.
Osiris Torc
The Mondragon Resonance
#4 - 2012-12-10 19:45:11 UTC
To be honest, I don't understand why you are currently flying a Rokh, let alone worrying about your fit. I am not trying to be mean but you barely have the skills, both core and support for it. I am a new player (less than a year) and my current goal is to EFFECTIVELY fly a Rohk, and a Megathron. I currently fly a ferox and have for a while. I own both the thron/rohk hulls, but havent trained them as I know i wont be effective and that is a huge part of it. You will do better/make more money/live longer flying a small hull that you are effective with and have the skills to support, than you will flying a large hull that you can barely fit due to a lack of skills. Below is my eveboard for your reference, just remember I am not comfortable with flying a BS as it stands, with my current skills. As far as not having the money to fit it goes, it has been my experience that it takes roughly about the same time to properly train for a hull, as it does to make the money for it and its fittings via missions.

Eveboard:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Osiris_Torc
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#5 - 2012-12-10 20:59:11 UTC
Core competency standard. Train the skills. Love it.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2012-12-11 05:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Good advice here so far.
I want to add: (in no particular order)

The Tengu is probably more expensive than the Rokh to fit properly.

You are not ready for the Tengu yet either.

Rokh is the Tier 3 BS, top of the line. Tengu is a Tech 3 Cruiser, again, top of the line. Both of these ships deserve high skilling to back them up. More important, you will probably lose them if they aren't skilled properly. There is more to it than just being able to 'sit' in the ship.

Tengu weapons system is about exactly opposite from the Rokh. The skill paths do not cross over, but they both take several months to train to a proper level. You will want a firm decision before you take off in one direction or the other.

Both ships are nice. There's not a 'bad' choice, though IMO the Tengu is more useable and is a better choice.

If you go to the Rokh, INSURE IT!!

Edit here for your sidenote: Your weapons choice will decide your small ship.
Rokh/Guns = Ferox
Tengu/Missiles = Drake
Fenix Vale
Tantalus Shipping Co.
#7 - 2012-12-11 05:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenix Vale
Well im essentially going to have to drop the idea of the tengu since theres no way I can begin to train into those systems right now. For now i need an intermediate ship to train into that will hold me well for while I train for the rokh's systems. any recommendations? I keep getting told the caracal, but I dont have any missle abilities yet and I feel cross training weapons systems when im not even qualified in one is kind of pointless.

EDIT: Osiris would you mind if i messaged you in game to talk a little further about skill training and possibly a ferox fitting?
Vartan Sarkisian
Phoenix Connection
Lack of Judgement.
#8 - 2012-12-11 16:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vartan Sarkisian
Fenix, all the advice above is sound and I recommend it all. If you are currently into rails and such then obviously you need a rail ship that you can not only fly well but tank. The Ferox was mentioned above so that would be a good option, or maybe a Moa which is a gun (rather than a missile cruiser). (I assume your sticking with Caldari)

My suggestion, on top of this is download an application that allows you to create a skill plan (evemon is good to get used to that concept) and it allows you to select a ship and see what is needed to fly that ship, including suggested certificates. As another poster said it isn’t just about sitting in the ship you have to be competent in tanking it and dishing out damage.

Dont rush to just get in the ship, take a ship and nuture it, training upwards for the next one, and not just in offense, but defence too.
Fenix Vale
Tantalus Shipping Co.
#9 - 2012-12-11 16:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenix Vale
Vartan Sarkisian wrote:
Fenix, all the advice above is sound and I recommend it all. If you are currently into rails and such then obviously you need a rail ship that you can not only fly well but tank. The Ferox was mentioned above so that would be a good option, or maybe a Moa which is a gun (rather than a missile cruiser). (I assume your sticking with Caldari)

My suggestion, on top of this is download an application that allows you to create a skill plan (evemon is good to get used to that concept) and it allows you to select a ship and see what is needed to fly that ship, including suggested certificates. As another poster said it isn’t just about sitting in the ship you have to be competent in tanking it and dishing out damage.

Dont rush to just get in the ship, take a ship and nuture it, training upwards for the next one, and not just in offense, but defence too.


Yeah ive accepted all of this pretty soundly. I purchased the Ferox a few minutes ago. I have no idea how to fit it though, and i have to choose skills to focus on to improve the piloting of it. Any suggestions?


As well I do use evemon, and I have set up a plan for Core Competency Standard as suggested. Its about 30 days of training time but I suppose kind of a necessary thing.


EDIT: I just fitted this fit to my ship: Level 3/4 Mission Runner

I had to drop the Shield Boost and Railguns to tier 1 though
Osiris Torc
The Mondragon Resonance
#10 - 2012-12-11 19:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Osiris Torc
Fenix Vale wrote:
Well im essentially going to have to drop the idea of the tengu since theres no way I can begin to train into those systems right now. For now i need an intermediate ship to train into that will hold me well for while I train for the rokh's systems. any recommendations? I keep getting told the caracal, but I dont have any missle abilities yet and I feel cross training weapons systems when im not even qualified in one is kind of pointless.

EDIT: Osiris would you mind if i messaged you in game to talk a little further about skill training and possibly a ferox fitting?


any time you like, but my fit is pretty much the same one you are using, I traded the tractor beam for a salvager, and an F-90 positional sensor subroutine in a med slot, to increase my target range and shorten lock time on frigates....but you only need that once your optimum range is farther than your target range, that and it makes shortens frig locks by 5 seconds....The main thing is finding a fit that is good, and then tweeking it to fit what you want it to do.
Vartan Sarkisian
Phoenix Connection
Lack of Judgement.
#11 - 2012-12-11 20:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vartan Sarkisian
the only Ferox I have is a PVP one so a fair bit different to what you would need.

maybe something like this... meta down stuff you cannot use use T2 items if you can (use evehq or eft to work on your fits)

[Ferox, pve]

6x 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I

Experimental 10MN MWD - fit an afterburner if your PG or CPU doesnt allow
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field - change depending on what damage the rats do
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I - change depending on what damage the rats do
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I