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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#501 - 2012-12-10 14:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Mund Richard wrote:
evening the play field?



=(((((((


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evening

doesn't mean what you think it means...

try 'levelling'


edit: I considered making a serious reply to this topic, but thankfully I got ahold of myself.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Raesha Nardieu
Shekel Seven
#502 - 2012-12-10 17:41:22 UTC
Raesha Nardieu wrote:

You say you want to end high sec griefing yet in the case of my alliance *YOU* are the griefers...how are you trying to get matters resolved when you are snide and unresponsive to all attempts at diplomacy?

You go against yourself by saying you wish to bring attention to the broken mechanics and end highsec griefing yet you are guilty of the same thing you are so-called trying to stop and paint yourself here as being a sort of Robin Hood when you're no better than the thugs you protect.

I just wished to point out Dec Shield are not and have not been acting as admirably and honourably as they would like all of you here to believe and are actually griefers themselves that are further contributing to the rising ship and mineral costs by not allowing carebears to get out and seed our markets.

Snide and unresponsive? As far as I know I haven't received any communication from your corp until 20 minutes ago. Sending a 0isk surrender offer does not constitute communication.

I am no Ser. If you are an aggressor, you are guilty.

I hear countless sob stories from every entity without dignity. I had to make a policy to decline them all, else no one would be trapped.
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The Zerg Overmind:

If you still have your mails, I would like to call your attention to mails starting from 2012.11.22 with one of my bosses in alliance leadership.

Alliance war transfer
From:
Sent: 2012.11.22 03:54
To: The Zerg Overmind

That is the first contact we attempted to make with you and have been met with either snide remarks or silence at each attempt... the subsequent surrender offers have been everyday since the launch of Retribution... so again, do you wish to maintain that you are trying to resolve issues?
Furthermore, your own reaction above and throughout this thread proves how snide you are.

Its true, we did dec a corp but as has already been stated, that was to even the playing field.
We were dec'd by a corp, they had alts that were in a different corp who sat OG boosting, we forewarned them to stop interfering or become targets themselves... they didnt listen.
As was pointed out earlier, you cant possibly know the story to all such conflicts and who are you to choose who is the true aggressor and who is truly guilty?

If you were truly trying to help improve EvE and be a constructive member of the community, you could find other ways to put your talents for hunting bugs and extrenuous testing of exploits to use and to cause change while having a positive influence on the game and the community instead of inflicting change through negative action.
Have you ever thought about messing about on the test server and spamming CCP Devs with bug reports to get these things fixed before they're live and exploitable in game?

Oh and nice to know that one who has shown no honour or dignity himself in this matter is trying to play judge and jury of such throughout all of EvE.

"Whether it be peace by diplomacy or peace by a gun, in the end there WILL be peace!" - TPK
ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#503 - 2012-12-10 19:20:45 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

So if I dec some one to get what seems to be a dead corp dead stick pos out, and then they run to Dec shield it is my fault?


Yes.

You thought they were dead. You were wrong. Seems completely clear-cut to me!

Even an honest mistake, is still a mistake.
ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#504 - 2012-12-10 21:50:35 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Mund Richard wrote:
evening the play field?



=(((((((


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evening

doesn't mean what you think it means...

try 'levelling'


edit: I considered making a serious reply to this topic, but thankfully I got ahold of myself.


Well, at least you were being relatively nice about it, so I'll point this out nicely...

Following your own link, I see definition #21 of "even" as a transitive verb, of which "evening" is the participle form, which appears to be the usage he was using.

Why is it that people who trouble to correct people's grammar on the internet get it wrong far more often than not?
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#505 - 2012-12-10 22:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tah'ris Khlador
*Yoink*

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#506 - 2012-12-10 22:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tah'ris Khlador
Raesha Nardieu wrote:
Oh and nice to know that one who has shown no honour or dignity himself in this matter is trying to play judge and jury of such throughout all of EvE.


There it is! The tears are centered on this concept! If you accept that EVE has no basis with honor or dignity, your tears will flow less.

Sure Dec Shield is annoying, but I mean, come on. Zerg has clearly stated he is not making exceptions when it comes to releasing people, what makes you so special? You aren't RVB - Red Federation!

EDIT: Regardless, if you read the latest patch notes, CCP plugged the latest hole by allowing Aggressors to also retract wars that were mutual at any point. So we've boiled Inferno down to the Ally system when it comes to war mechanics. Everything else was nerfed to fix the glaring holes.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#507 - 2012-12-10 22:21:48 UTC
Raesha Nardieu wrote:
The Zerg Overmind:

If you still have your mails, I would like to call your attention to mails starting from 2012.11.22 with one of my bosses in alliance leadership.

Alliance war transfer
From:
Sent: 2012.11.22 03:54
To: The Zerg Overmind

That is the first contact we attempted to make with you and have been met with either snide remarks or silence at each attempt... the subsequent surrender offers have been everyday since the launch of Retribution... so again, do you wish to maintain that you are trying to resolve issues?
Furthermore, your own reaction above and throughout this thread proves how snide you are.

Its true, we did dec a corp but as has already been stated, that was to even the playing field.
We were dec'd by a corp, they had alts that were in a different corp who sat OG boosting, we forewarned them to stop interfering or become targets themselves... they didnt listen.
As was pointed out earlier, you cant possibly know the story to all such conflicts and who are you to choose who is the true aggressor and who is truly guilty?

If you were truly trying to help improve EvE and be a constructive member of the community, you could find other ways to put your talents for hunting bugs and extrenuous testing of exploits to use and to cause change while having a positive influence on the game and the community instead of inflicting change through negative action.
Have you ever thought about messing about on the test server and spamming CCP Devs with bug reports to get these things fixed before they're live and exploitable in game?

Oh and nice to know that one who has shown no honour or dignity himself in this matter is trying to play judge and jury of such throughout all of EvE.

I did respond to that email the day it was sent. I replied with useful information summarizing the upcoming changes, with a link directly to the devblog.

It's not my fault you're the guilty party here. You wardecced and there are consequences (at least there was in Inferno, lol). Welcome to Eve. I'm quite content to make an example of your tears in the forums, please continue. A story about how you're a special snowflake I should make an exception for would be appreciated. And I'd be sure to pass it on to management for consideration.

Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#508 - 2012-12-10 22:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
It's over now. CCP stealth fixed the third method today with the patch:

"Wars that are now made mutual will always be able to be retracted by the aggressor, even if the war is made non-mutual."

http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



Update: We're testing this. There is no evidence that this is working as advertised.

Burn Highsec Griefers
Serious Desire
Annoyance.
Darwinism.
#509 - 2012-12-11 02:17:05 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
It's over now. CCP stealth fixed the third method today with the patch:

"Wars that are now made mutual will always be able to be retracted by the aggressor, even if the war is made non-mutual."

http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



Update: We're testing this. There is no evidence that this is working as advertised.



Bro, you're truly a moron if you believe CCP is able to fix the BS code they try and write. This isn't fixed. If anything, they probably made it worse.
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad
#510 - 2012-12-11 05:36:19 UTC
Welp, we're back up to about 16 non-mutual wars we didn't pay for. This is getting pretty ridiculous, sent a petition in on friday, no response. Sent another one in earlier today, no response. Even just a "hold on we're discussing this with devs" would be nice.

Also I've noticed not even one dev has posted in this thread, what's up with that?

PIZZA CEO
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#511 - 2012-12-11 06:30:05 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
It's over now. CCP stealth fixed the third method today with the patch:

"Wars that are now made mutual will always be able to be retracted by the aggressor, even if the war is made non-mutual."

http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



Update: We're testing this. There is no evidence that this is working as advertised.


My test assumed that this is post patch mutual settings only, presuming that a "previously mutual" flag wasn't being stored until now. So, if it was done right, Dec Shield wars should still be ending one way or another soon.

Not sure if a corporation that drops out from an alliance that once had the war mutual carries the flag though. Might be able to use that carry it further? I'm too tired to think this part through properly.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#512 - 2012-12-11 08:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:

My test assumed that this is post patch mutual settings only, presuming that a "previously mutual" flag wasn't being stored until now. So, if it was done right, Dec Shield wars should still be ending one way or another soon.

Not sure if a corporation that drops out from an alliance that once had the war mutual carries the flag though. Might be able to use that carry it further? I'm too tired to think this part through properly.

These were exactly my thoughts on how to proceed. But I'm pretty sure that it won't work. I'm not sure why the patch isn't setting everyone free right now. Some people do seem to be escaping though

Burn Highsec Griefers
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#513 - 2012-12-11 14:05:54 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:

My test assumed that this is post patch mutual settings only, presuming that a "previously mutual" flag wasn't being stored until now. So, if it was done right, Dec Shield wars should still be ending one way or another soon.

Not sure if a corporation that drops out from an alliance that once had the war mutual carries the flag though. Might be able to use that carry it further? I'm too tired to think this part through properly.

These were exactly my thoughts on how to proceed. But I'm pretty sure that it won't work. I'm not sure why the patch isn't setting everyone free right now. Some people do seem to be escaping though


I won't be surprised if some of the dec's will still need CCP intervention to yank them free. As in, it won't be possible to do it again with a new war dec, but some of the ones already active might be stuck or something along those lines.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#514 - 2012-12-11 16:13:17 UTC
CCP Paradox posted about this in general discussion this morning --

CCP Paradox wrote:
Hulemand wrote:
Our war with them was made non-mutual on December 4th, resulting in a war bill we did not pay. Now we had a new war bill today on December 11th. Seems like the war is not ending.


What happened in the last week, that the bills for the wars were cancelled before Dec 4th which created new bills for a 7 day war. Additionally after the Retribution release, this could also happen. So bills were cancelled again, and this was resolved yesterday. This created new 7 day ways for everyone from Dec 11th.
This is the last week. The bills cannot be cancelled and created again, resulting in another 7 day war.
If a war is made mutual and then non mutual, you will always have the option to retract the war, from then on out.
If a corp joins an alliance, you will have a bill for just the alliance.
If a corp leaves an alliance, you will have a bill for the alliance and corp that left. Both of these bills will always carry the same status as the original bill.
If the original bill had a due date of 16th December, and had not been paid. Then both the Corp that left, and Alliance will have the same values. You would see both of them in the wallet as due on the 16th, and that have not been paid yet.

I hope this clears it up for now.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#515 - 2012-12-11 16:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#516 - 2012-12-11 18:20:31 UTC
CCP should really stop "fixing" wars. If you declare war on somebody, you should be taking a risk. You should be GUARANTEED at least a week of fighting against whoever they call in. None of this "LOL I declared war on you but I'm getting owned so I'm just going to withdraw instantly" bullcrap.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#517 - 2012-12-11 19:25:14 UTC
Msgerbs wrote:
CCP should really stop "fixing" wars. If you declare war on somebody, you should be taking a risk. You should be GUARANTEED at least a week of fighting against whoever they call in. None of this "LOL I declared war on you but I'm getting owned so I'm just going to withdraw instantly" bullcrap.


People run all the time in EVE, why not run away from wars too?

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#518 - 2012-12-11 19:30:25 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:


People run all the time in EVE, why not run away from wars too?


For some reason I just got a Monty Python and The Holy Grail flashback....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#519 - 2012-12-11 20:02:58 UTC
I'm gonna miss reading about all those tears...

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#520 - 2012-12-11 20:05:37 UTC
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
Msgerbs wrote:
CCP should really stop "fixing" wars. If you declare war on somebody, you should be taking a risk. You should be GUARANTEED at least a week of fighting against whoever they call in. None of this "LOL I declared war on you but I'm getting owned so I'm just going to withdraw instantly" bullcrap.


People run all the time in EVE, why not run away from wars too?

Because a wardec is committing to fight a certain corporation for a week. I'm fine with being able to withdraw a non-mutual war, it makes sense. But being able to withdraw immediately from a mutual war is stupid. You should be committed to at least the remaining week of the war before you can withdraw.