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So, have we seen the end of the EvE pirate?
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2012-12-09 05:22:42 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
So what is the difference between a pirate and your regular run-of-the-mill low-sec pvper?

A pirate does it for the money, not just for fun?
A pirate always offers and honors ransoms?
???

I've done some low-sec pvp (and atoned for my sins by spending many hours ratting my sec status back up) but I never considered myself a pirate - just a pvper looking for some kills.

On the other hand I have met self-proclaimed "pirates" that spend all day running lvl4 missions in their low-sec home.

I find it hard to talk about piracy being boosted or nerfed when I have no idea how it is different from regular pvp...



Pirate is a silly term which has no meaning in this game.

Most "Pirates" make their isk with a legion of alts doing lvl 5's or something equally terrible. The only reason i would call myself a pirate is because i always ransom pods.. Thats it.. In all other ways i'm just a dedicated pvper that hates PVE.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-12-09 05:29:20 UTC
Olek Strzela wrote:
Alright, let's be serious and look at this objectively for a moment.

Before Retribution was released, piracy was in decline. Understandably, some die-hards (myself included) don't want to admit any truth to this, and others attempt to address it by flaming and shooting down posts as care-bears and such. In truth, especially after Retribution, it really feels like our chosen profession is dying a slow and painful death.

Of course, there are hold-outs across EvE, but we are hardly in the days of avoiding every low-sec system possible for fear of losing our ships. Even now, many low-sec PvP organizations don't even bother brandishing the title of "pirate," as low-sec is infested with faction warfare and the like.

So simply, here's my question to the community, because I know some of us that wear the title proudly are still out there:

What happened?

Why does it almost feel like half of us are ashamed to call ourselves pirates anymore, and those of us that accept it, spend our days hiding in anonymity and seclusion? Retribution has given us a tool that could bring tons of flavor to being a pirate, if at a higher risk, so why does it feel that we're hiding from the spot-light?

In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?

Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but as I return to the game again, I find myself disappointed by the lack of honorable low-sec pirates. It's simply so much easier to make my way into 0.0 and fight petty Alliance wars. I once played this game to skirmish, steal, and live a life in the shadows, but it seems we've given up the shadows.

So, I ask, what do you think, and what should we do about it?



What are you smoking bro? Retribution has breathed new life into Piracy. If anything it's on the rise. Dunno about you but I've gotten more activity in the last three days than in the last three months. Looking at a little choke point 36 kills in under 24 hours.

Also take into account the craziness that is the Algos, Vexor, and Thorax. Our little suicide cruiser gang took our drakes, two Nightmares and a Talos and Hurricane. Make no mistake a lot of us wear the Flashy Red with pride.

So hoist the colors, mother fu*^ers. We're going in hot Pirate
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-12-09 05:57:25 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
What are you smoking bro? Retribution has breathed new life into Piracy. If anything it's on the rise. Dunno about you but I've gotten more activity in the last three days than in the last three months. Looking at a little choke point 36 kills in under 24 hours.

Also take into account the craziness that is the Algos, Vexor, and Thorax. Our little suicide cruiser gang took our drakes, two Nightmares and a Talos and Hurricane. Make no mistake a lot of us wear the Flashy Red with pride.

So hoist the colors, mother fu*^ers. We're going in hot Pirate


Daemon Ceed wrote:
As a pirate myself (I really have no other career in Eve), I don't think that piracy is tapering off any more than it was at the beginning of Inferno. The Retribution buffs have added some nice tools and beneficial mechanics for us lowsec pirates.

I have noticed a little more traffic into my home, from carebears looking for a pvpers fix, missioners/plexers and sometimes anti-pirates and other pirates alike. I think we'll see a slow rejuvenation of people returning back to lowsec piracy from highsec wars and general griefing due to more pilots venturing out of highsec to get a taste for the seedier parts of New Eden.


MirrorGod wrote:
Ha!

Heh ha hee haw, tighten up your cowboy hat Hoss.

Maybe the lesser skilled outlaws and weekend warriors are afraid to wear the flashy red...but not the pirates I know, certainly not Amamake's finest.

Piracy in retribution is better than ever before, and with all these so called "bounty hunters" coming to low-sec...I just want to thank CCP for finally putting the rest of Eve in a position where they'er not afraid to fight us anymore.

Bounty me :)


Garviel Tarrant wrote:
**** no,

The new crimewatch is pretty much the best thing that has ever been introduced to the game for outlaws.

That along with my personal favorite, "c-key insta5°scan"



As to other points.. Ashamed for being an outlaw? You're hanging in the wrong circles mate..


Seems to me that Piracy is fine.

jimmyjam wrote:
Piracy is a state of mind not sec status.


If you don't have a bad sec status, you're not a very good pirate. Or you're a terrorist... or confused. A state of mind does matter, but if you want to be a pirate, you will inevitably get negative sec status and you will wear it with pride.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-12-09 12:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
I had the chance to test the new features only for 2 days (oof which I needed one day to change a lot of fits and adapt new ones....even have a lot of fits that depend on drones now) and until now I only see positive effects. I love the new sentry mechanic and the possibility to finally use drones in lowesec. The changes to the inventory work fine, sometimes there are some bugs with the HUD but thats gonna sort itself out soon. The new tracking mechanics are very nice for d-scan and as far as I have seen people in high sec have a lot of fun with the new crime watch sys...
Right now I do not really have anything to complain about...maybe the persistance of the safty button but I heard thats going to be fixed as well.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#25 - 2012-12-09 21:38:12 UTC
Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore

apparently neither does my entire corp....

Pirate

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-12-09 23:28:37 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore

apparently neither does my entire corp....

Pirate

Until this post I did not know of you.
Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec.
Operative X10-4
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-12-10 12:40:20 UTC
As a low sec pirate, I can tell you that I see more players coming to low sec now, CCP off course could improove low sec even more, but until now they seens to be doing a nice job.
Yesterday I even found 2 miners 3-4 days old taking risks in low sec to mine jaspet.

FOREVER PIRATE 07 FLY DANGEROUSLY.
Big Gord
Independent Union of Hek
#28 - 2012-12-10 16:13:28 UTC
Although I don't really call myself a pirate, just a guy who likes to shoot at things in lowsec from a very long range so I can run away, but this patch made things much better for 'pirates'. The new crimewatch timers alone. Now you can commit a 'crime' wait 30 seconds and you are free to go back to camp a gate or dock at a station for repairs no problem. Before that, you had to wait 15 minutes (i think). Made pirating easier in my opinion.
space ganelon
The Mining Corp
#29 - 2012-12-11 07:02:18 UTC
Wow, i never knew there were such strict definitions and protocols. All I can say is....


yarrrrr!
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-11 10:32:16 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore

apparently neither does my entire corp....

Pirate

Until this post I did not know of you.
Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec.


The only 'daring raids' into highsec are to either buy something not available or to seed markets elsewhere.

Empire space is boring.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#31 - 2012-12-11 10:45:16 UTC
Didnt read anyone elses posts but replying to OP.

Piracy did have a decline before Retribution, this was due to a large number of 0.0 alliances heavily recruiting, and people being afraid of getting dropped by supers, carriers etc. This was also because people got tired of piracy as there was NO reward for it, othr than catching someone unaware.

Suddenly Spaceships. would happily brand itself as a "Pirate" alliance. Although we do some 0.0 PvP too.

With retribution, piracy has become easier, and profitable now, with bounty payments coming in from most kills, and t1 cruisers being able to tank sentries AND bc gangs. It's a lot cheaper and alot of fun now.

I am Buhhdust Princess,
and I'm a Pirate ;)
-Buhhd
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-12-11 13:14:07 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Didnt read anyone elses posts but replying to OP.

Piracy did have a decline before Retribution, this was due to a large number of 0.0 alliances heavily recruiting, and people being afraid of getting dropped by supers, carriers etc. This was also because people got tired of piracy as there was NO reward for it, othr than catching someone unaware.

Suddenly Spaceships. would happily brand itself as a "Pirate" alliance. Although we do some 0.0 PvP too.

With retribution, piracy has become easier, and profitable now, with bounty payments coming in from most kills, and t1 cruisers being able to tank sentries AND bc gangs. It's a lot cheaper and alot of fun now.

I am Buhhdust Princess,
and I'm a Pirate ;)
-Buhhd


Piracy has always been a niche profession. It's probably one of if not the most difficult to start in especially as a new player. However the risks versus the potential rewards is staggering. There are still many things that need to be fixed with low sec to draw more traffic. More assets means more protection needed thus meaning better fights.

I will say though that Retribution has me crying manly tears of joy with the new drone and sentry mechanics. Bounties also provide you with quick ways to make some coin as well. Piracy was never on the decline it's just Retribution gives a little more incentive to turn to the dark trade of preying on others and all those "leet" null sec kiddies Twisted
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-11 13:35:51 UTC
Olek Strzela wrote:

In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?


How is the risk greater now? You don't get killrights for killing ships in lowsec anymore.
Vasavia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-12-11 17:40:35 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Nothing happened. There is nothing glamorous nor honorable about being a pirate. Pirating is an ugly profession that will never get any respect except from other pirates.

LIES.
SegaPhoenix
Chicks on Speed
#35 - 2012-12-12 02:28:02 UTC
Because of the unlimited amount of intel available via API/Local/Locator Agents etc it is almost entirely impossible to hide in EVE. Piracy is a profession which would typically utilize guerrilla warfare, nomadic gangs and hideouts. Without the ability to hide oneself the only way to fly under the radar enough for people not to blob the crap out of you is to keep reasonably quiet and not attack moons.

You are not alone as a pirate but the smaller EVE becomes the shiftier the Pirates have to become.

Even if that means hiding in plain sight under non conspicuous corp names or not using the term pirates too loosely.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-12-12 04:42:46 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore

apparently neither does my entire corp....

Pirate

Until this post I did not know of you.
Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec.


The only 'daring raids' into highsec are to either buy something not available or to seed markets elsewhere.

Empire space is boring.

Hey you know, with Dec shield dead you could start deccing people and brighten hisec up
If the miner will not come to you,
Find him and beat him until his alts learn to line up and present themselves to be shot.
Vorlan Fuze
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-12-12 07:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorlan Fuze
I like how every1 posts these definitions of what a pirate is "always ransoming pods" etc....

The difference between a pirate and a PVPer is simple, a pirate will always attack weaker prey.

And no piracy isn't dead, its never gonna be dead as long as any1 follows that little thing above.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-12-12 10:15:30 UTC
Vorlan Fuze wrote:

The difference between a pirate and a PVPer is simple, a pirate will always attack weaker prey.


And a PVPer does not want to win? Sorry, that makes no sense. If there has to be a difference it would be that a pirate tries to make a profit while the PVPer wants a killmail.
Azirapheal
Hansa Mining og Industri
#39 - 2012-12-12 11:29:50 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Vorlan Fuze wrote:

The difference between a pirate and a PVPer is simple, a pirate will always attack weaker prey.


And a PVPer does not want to win? Sorry, that makes no sense. If there has to be a difference it would be that a pirate tries to make a profit while the PVPer wants a killmail.



Surfin will back me up on what i am about to say (btw, o7 surf, im back)

i have quoted the above for its indellible truth, a pirate will always attack (solo, or by way of a gang) prey that is weaker than itself. and the difference given is that a pvper wants the kill mail, whereas the pirate attempts to turn a profit.

it is only the last few months of active game time that i have given up on my -10 badge, and am grinding that sec back up to allow me full access to new eden again - the reasons are manyfold

1. i may simply wish to smartbomb jita again
2. ever since wtz was brought into the game, piracy has been more about chance than any affordable level of skill - combat in 0.0 also reflects this as where before the most profitable lines for pirates and pvpers alike were chasing people down in belts, or catching them on the 15km run out of a system, it has been replaced by the gate lottery, and the need to catch.

where before i would often lock a guy, web, scramb, and put into flaming hull before a ransom demand was given - now there are 15 people on the gate, and its easier to just kill before they align and warp.

3. tied in with the above my own definition of piracy in this game involves killing for profit - i know of at least two rattlesnake owners that were suprised by my lone zealot that are infinitely grateful that i ceased fire and gave them an offer.


i dont think that the majority of misguided and illinformed players actually understand that the code of piracy means a multitude of ways to earn isk - standing ransoms, charging corps for safe passage/operations in your area (think gangsters/privateers)
blackmailing people with the threats of wardecs etc

and of course, the good old honest scam ^^
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#40 - 2012-12-12 13:55:47 UTC
Operative X10-4 wrote:
As a low sec pirate, I can tell you that I see more players coming to low sec now, CCP off course could improove low sec even more, but until now they seens to be doing a nice job.
Yesterday I even found 2 miners 3-4 days old taking risks in low sec to mine jaspet.


Probably because Venture is a very nice low sec mining boat for newbs. It can also run from most solo pirates easily.