EVE General Discussion

Marmite is an evil substance and only fools eat it.

Lot of stuff to explain to them, and if they **** up then they have to go all the way back to station, fit up a new ship which may take awhile, and then go back. Not to mention these guys just learned how to target and double click to move around, and now you expect them to keep up transversal, watch out how fast the other guy is going, evade drones, not get sling shotted into scram/web range, etc?

Then you expect the FC to explain everything in one op to a little nublet who may not know where he is, what killing this guy will get him, who they are fighting, how exactly he is supposed to die, what the other ships can do or how big they are, all the terminology, etc.

Not very much instant gratification for a game in which its goal you may or may not understand.

Because if nobody else plays they the ONLY thing you can do is just keep on ratting.

Well frankly to be honest i think if most people cold just click on a ship they like hit train alot more people would stick around. My account is over 6 years old i played a week the fist time, then came back played another about 3 years ago and eh came back with a friend a few days ago.

The big thing that puts me of is buying some thing you spent ages training for only to find that wow hay i cant use the ammo for this weapon ! i have to spend a week skill training up for that to. /cancel account. The friend im playing with is a bit lost in regards to all these skills needed we just wanted to out do some stuff but in reality we cant because it would take weeks to be able to any of that and all for the pleasure of paying a monthly sub to do nothing till we can do something.

I kept unsubbing every now and again until I got involved in null sec PvP. Now I'm here to stay.

Endgame, epics, phat lewtz, l33t raid guilds, pwning nubs and BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

Good riddance

As an industrialist its this Math (rough - leave your calculators alone):

If I mine for an hour I can make roughly 15-25m Isk. If I work for one hour at 7/11 I can make let's say 20 bucks. I then buy one Plex. In the same amount of time I just made 560m isk. So to make the same amount I would need to mine roughly 22 hours. OK so for my time investment mining doesn't seem like a good investment. Sure you're in game chatting to your corp and maybe remote shopping.

So I then ask myself what are my goals in the game. Setup a POS? Why to makes stuff or research? Again I can afford the plex so Isk doesn't seem like a good goal. So mining, manufacturing and research all become less valuable to me as a goal. I tend to have a standing statement for new players and myself

'If you had 5 billion isk all the time what would you do in EVE.' If you can answer that you'll find out what your EVE goals really are.

Now I understand that not everyone can afford 4 Plex a pay check and I applaud those that have built up a fortune through sweat and tears (even other peoples tears). I'm simply saying for me I don't see the value in logging in every nigt to mine for countless hours. I'd rather burn some real world time/money to save time in EVE.

So when I do leave it's because I've lost sight of my goal or the social aspect has gone sour. Goals that do keep me going are:
* Assisting my Corp in a goal (move to null sec, recruit, lets build a capital)
* Help new players with start up capital and training in EVE basics
* Setup in a WH for some scare ass complex running
* Faction warfare seems interesting
* Incursion seems daunting but its a goal
* Toying with the idea of start my own corp (again, and again)
* Getting better at PvP (good god I suck)

I'd love to hear some other goals!

Well i can relay what some of my friends thought.

The biggest reason for stopping to play the game is the denial of gameplay.

It's not hard to understand that some folks have a set mind on how they want to play a game.
Once that is set and you as a player deny that person his/her gameplay choice then there's no point in logging on again.

Although this was some time ago, they had a hard time grasping how little the consequences are for comitting a crime in hisec.
Basically, the only player loosing is allways the player getting ganked.

Be it camped in station, gate camps, suicidal attacks while doing missions etc.
All of theese leads to a form of denial of gameplay. I find this quite unique in EvE.

I think some of the terminology is confusing to some players.
Like the phrase hi security. It leads to believe you're in safe space. That's something different and doesn't exist in EvE.
Not everyone can accept that, especially if you haven't learned how to manage your own economy and you loose that Battleship you can't really afford to replace.

Those few that tried out to be pvp combat pilots got sick of never beeing able to get a fair fight.
It was eighter ganking or beeing ganked. Nothting else seemed to exist for them.
The idea of a sandbox sounded great but in reality you're have to be in a somewhat large corp to achieve anything. Now adays, that's barely possible in an alliance. You have to be in a power block of some sort.

Gamers will allways look for an edge to get the upperhand on your opponent.
EvE had an interesting development when it came to 0.0 warfare.
Super Capitals.

Realising their potential in great numbers someone also realized their need for support.
So the guys with the most supers make friends with the other fellow that also has alot of supers.
All of a sudden you seem unbreakable and can pretty much face stop what ever you like as the opponent can't even field supers. let alone the ammount needed as they never had any sov to begin with.

Anyways, he threw a fit after a tracking titan blew up his hurricane and simply quit.
He didn't particularly like the super as a end all be all ship.

Think out of all the friends I have that tried EvE, all of them left for other games.
I still very much enjoy it :)

Ships have no urinals. I peed myself so many times, I finally quit. Came back 2 years later when I discoveerd how to work a catheter....

And on que, Mr. High Sec misses the point lol.

No one cares how you play. Just like no one cares that most nights I end up shooting red Xs in anomalies/plex, LvL 5s and incursions rather than shooting Xs piloted by people. The whole "they hate use because we live in high sec and mine (or whatever you do) is just a dodge people use to salve their egos. I'm pretty sick of hearing it.

In other words, we don't hate you because of how you play a video game, we hate you because of how you think lol.