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OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#41 - 2012-12-11 15:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: OkaskiKali
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:


Looks to me I was replying to a response about someone using a tengu? Like i said didnt read the post.

In no context is this:
Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that

correct.

You wrote it. What you repsonded to isn't rellevant to the exact wording you chose to use to make your point.

If you'r FORCED to fly specific ships while solo pvpingt then you need to find a better corp. You ARE NOT forced to fly something specific while solo pvping, which is what you're saying you can't do anymore, because you live in null.

A lie is a lie, it doesn't stop being a lie because. You wrote, and there is no other possible context other than exactly what it says.
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null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that

And that is a lie.


The ship i choose to hunt with is dependant on which region i am going to hunt in.... since i am solo why the hell would i use a 500m ship when a 200m ship does the same job..?????????????????????

And of course if i chose to use the 500m ship to hunt then it be in areas where the density of players is a lot lower and then its even more difficult to act out my gaming stlye.

where do i mention corp? where do i say i live in null sec? Where do i say i am forced to use a ship? which if you think about it is actually a indirect result of the new AI. To hunt ratters now you need a ship that can handle the DPS of NPC's which makes recons useless as a ship to hunt ratters in, solo.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-12-11 15:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
OkaskiKali wrote:

The ship i choose to hunt with is dependant on which region i am going to hunt in.... since i am solo why the hell would i use a 500m ship when a 200m ship does the same job..?????????????????????

And of course if i chose to use the 500m ship to hunt then it be in areas where the density of players is a lot lower and then its even more difficult to act out my gaming stlye.

where do i mention corp? where do i say i live in null sec? Where do i say i am forced to use a ship? which if you think about it is actually a indirect result of the new AI. To hunt ratters now you need a ship that can handle the DPS of NPC's which makes recons useless as a ship to hunt ratters in, solo.

That's a rather valid repsonce. Mostly if the ship you choose to use is decided based upon the rats you'll encounter, which you're not actually saying.

However the "mention corp" part., yeah...
Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that

That comment is not about the "region" you play in. It's about the corp you play in. "Someones" isn't any kind of a reference to the region of space, but the people who hold that region.

You wrote it, stop trying to shuck it off and imply you meant something other than "I live in sov space and what I fly is based on who owns that space."

You were trying to make an implication that some of the choice is removed from you, and that the AI changes compound it.
I'm not a fan of the "everyone is dumber than me" approach to debate, which is basically what you're tryin to do.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-12-11 15:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
OkaskiKali wrote:
Listen

point 1: some of you need to get some intelligence and think about what you write

With grammar and punctuation like that, you really have no right saying that to anybody.

point 2: the point of hunting ratters solo and to a degree in a gang is to catch them in belts and anoms and for that to happen you need fast stuff or cloakie. the new AI has killed this gaming stlye (and for those of you with no brain hunting ratters, and huting them solo in recons or in gang of small stuff)

Ratters had to adapt to the new AI, why can't you? Are the rats supposed to be easy for you and ignore the fact that you are there when you uncloak and start attacking your victim?


This is just a whine thread. Nobody agrees with you so you insult their intelligence with **** poor intelligence of your own.

If you can't gank players that are already being attacked by rats then I firmly believe that you are doing something wrong. Try using a bigger ship.

OkaskiKali wrote:


The ship i choose to hunt with is dependant on which region i am going to hunt in.... since i am solo why the hell would i use a 500m ship when a 200m ship does the same job..?????????????????????

Maybe because the 200m ship doesn't actually do the same job??????????????????????????????? Sorry...I thought using all those question marks would be fun. It was a rather disappointing experience really.

And of course if i chose to use the 500m ship to hunt then it be in areas where the density of players is a lot lower and then its even more difficult to act out my gaming stlye.

Adapt or die. You also keep spelling "style" wrong. Either way...you are basically saying you want your gaming style to be easy and you are upset that CCP has now made your cowardly ganking style of gameplay harder to accomplish because they improved the AI which now attacks you as indiscriminately as it does the ratter. Really, it's a sad story. Let me find my little violin...

where do i mention corp? where do i say i live in null sec? Where do i say i am forced to use a ship? which if you think about it is actually a indirect result of the new AI. To hunt ratters now you need a ship that can handle the DPS of NPC's which makes recons useless as a ship to hunt ratters in, solo.

Wait...you are killing people from your pod?! Wow! I call hacks! But...uh..."RECON"...just saying. Might want to just pick a ship that makes more sense to gank someone with if you want to keep doing that. Again...ratters adapted. Why can't you?


Man...this is just mind blowing.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-12-11 15:49:24 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Listen

point 1: some of you need to get some intelligence and think about what you write

With grammar and punctuation like that, you really have no right saying that to anybody.

point 2: the point of hunting ratters solo and to a degree in a gang is to catch them in belts and anoms and for that to happen you need fast stuff or cloakie. the new AI has killed this gaming stlye (and for those of you with no brain hunting ratters, and huting them solo in recons or in gang of small stuff)

Ratters had to adapt to the new AI, why can't you? Are the rats supposed to be easy for you and ignore the fact that you are there when you uncloak and start attacking your victim?


This is just a whine thread. Nobody agrees with you so you insult their intelligence with **** poor intelligence of your own.

If you can't gank players that are already being attacked by rats then I firmly believe that you are doing something wrong. Try using a bigger ship.

But he just wants to be able to warp in with a stealth bomber and use the NPC rats as support dps. Because, you know, he's a pro pvper.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#45 - 2012-12-11 15:50:48 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


However the "mention corp" part., yeah...
Quote:
null sec is someones territory so the ships you use depend on that


That comment is not about the "region" you play in. It's about the corp you play in. "Someones" isn't any kind of a reference to the region of space, but the people who hold that region.

You wrote it, stop trying to shuck it off and imply you meant something other than "I live in sov space and what I fly is based on who owns that space."

You were trying to make an implication that some of the choice is removed from you, and that the AI changes compound it.
I'm not a fan of the "everyone is dumber than me" approach to debate, which is basically what you're tryin to do.


Well for a start i do not live in null sec.

Second: "someones territory" refers to the fact that in choosing which part of null sec to hunt in will most definately determine my ship of choice.

You can try and sugar coat this as much as you want and call me out for spelling and grammer and what ever else you want to pull me out for but the
Quote:
You were trying to make an implication that some of the choice is removed from you, and that the AI changes compound it.


is very much the case since its even harder now to kill ratters.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#46 - 2012-12-11 15:52:38 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Listen

point 1: some of you need to get some intelligence and think about what you write

With grammar and punctuation like that, you really have no right saying that to anybody.

point 2: the point of hunting ratters solo and to a degree in a gang is to catch them in belts and anoms and for that to happen you need fast stuff or cloakie. the new AI has killed this gaming stlye (and for those of you with no brain hunting ratters, and huting them solo in recons or in gang of small stuff)

Ratters had to adapt to the new AI, why can't you? Are the rats supposed to be easy for you and ignore the fact that you are there when you uncloak and start attacking your victim?


This is just a whine thread. Nobody agrees with you so you insult their intelligence with **** poor intelligence of your own.

If you can't gank players that are already being attacked by rats then I firmly believe that you are doing something wrong. Try using a bigger ship.

But he just wants to be able to warp in with a stealth bomber and use the NPC rats as support dps. Because, you know, he's a pro pvper.


Your sarcasm just confirmed you have no other agenda than to troll me.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#47 - 2012-12-11 15:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
I shoot everything what give xp, money, is obviously dangerous or just suspicious. New AI makes sense.

But sometimes I shoot things for fun and could be logical to see AI do that too - i.e. rats should fight each other from time to time and/or players could provoke them. Space bards ftw.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#48 - 2012-12-11 16:01:00 UTC
dude your right, just unsubcribe, like i did with 6/8, its the only way how ccp gets the message

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zzlep Alduin
Alveare Artifex
#49 - 2012-12-11 16:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: zzlep Alduin
I just wanted to stop by, i've been watching this and in all honesty I agree that the new AI has killed a gaming style.

Its just unfortunate that there are so many people ready to bounce on any spelling or grammar mistake that distracts from the point.

I really do wish CCP would tidy these forums up.

Back to the point having used many ships to hunt pvpers the ships i like to use are cloaky ones and becuase i am going to areas where the density of people is very high i tend to stay away from using expensive ships since the act of blobbing tends to make it more difficult to GTF out if it the attack goes wrong.

It is a good point just too many clowns on here and no harsh penalities for trolling and flaming.
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#50 - 2012-12-11 16:06:58 UTC
It would be more realistic if rats only switched targets to ships that took hostile action toward one of their members or used a support module on a ship they had already flagged as hostile.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2012-12-11 16:12:48 UTC
Locking this topic for ranting. Be constructive, don't rant, and your complaints are likely to be heard.

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