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** HILMAR - Remove the CSM Now...**

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SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#161 - 2011-10-22 14:29:37 UTC
The main problem with the highsec part of the CSM problem is that highsec peoples don't vote because they don't know about the CSM. They barely know what it is or what it did, they don't give a flying fsck about how it works and why they should vote.

CCP can fix that problem by allowing every candidate to send one, or two, evemails. To every single EVE account.

I know, it might be a little too much for the system to handle but I'm sure it can be done. And I'm pretty sure if you tell a highsec guy "Hey, if there are issues or things you would like to introduce in EVE, well, check the candidates, maybe one of them wants those issues fixed, vote for him ;)", he will take a second to read and vote. You just need to actually tell him in a way that no one can "avoid". The little box when you login, well, once you close it, it doesn't come up again until it's changed by CCP. Or you can just type your pass press enter and poof.

You can ignore it.

You can't ignore an EVEmail, especially if you're a highsec dweller who never receive EVEmails usually.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2011-10-22 14:58:05 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
The main problem with the highsec part of the CSM problem is that highsec peoples don't vote because they don't know about the CSM.


Absolutely. Let's talk about how to get hisec people voting and organized before we throw in the towel and force them to have 3 seats filled by people no one voted for.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#163 - 2011-10-22 15:23:54 UTC
best thing is, The in-chair Goons now are supported (indeed forced as Ive heard regardless of them pretending not) by the three biggest corps in the game at least. The biggest alliance in 0.0 at least. DCF what 72% of null sec?

Anyone in position now will never be voted out of position cause there arent enough votes what with alts and bots etc.
Any DCF candidates elected afterwards just makes it worse till the CSM only represents one group in the game.

I agree remove it

Though the tears upon seeing a full Goon CSM would be magical

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Mirima Thurander
#164 - 2011-10-22 16:08:12 UTC
man i know why the CSM stays a null play thing now... ever time you speak of it in the most read forum section you thread gets locked or moved to this dismal place to be forgotten


All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#165 - 2011-10-22 16:17:24 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
man i know why the CSM stays a null play thing now... ever time you speak of it in the most read forum section you thread gets locked or moved to this dismal place to be forgotten




pretty much.... cause enough Goons report it (they arent the police of the game they say against allegations of them botting unless its against other CSM apparent;y or on the forums) it gets taken out

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Reislier
#166 - 2011-10-22 17:16:45 UTC
A few players log into the forums.
Every single player logs into the the charachter select screen.

Pop up a poll for voting if you must..

Or just solicit input from players right there..
It's a high tech game.. automate the function of the CSM.
Build it right into the news feed that is already there.

Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#167 - 2011-10-22 17:35:42 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I was pretty disappointed for the CSM allowing NeX for "vanity" items to slip in the game at all.


How would you have them "disallow" the NeX store from going ahead, exactly? Attack the NeX development team with Molotov cocktails while they were at the spring summit?

Or do you just mean that the CSM should have made some feeble token gesture of protest, that CCP would have completely ignored and gone ahead anyway?


That is what they say they did.... Roll
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#168 - 2011-10-22 18:03:24 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Humm half agree half not, People have been complaining about Goons for years, some of it deserved some of it not, I think there's a section of the populace that are just bored with them (not me btw I find them quite quaint)


yes but we didn't manage the deluge of goons :argh: post until we butchered over a thousand miners like swine


Actually I have seen these posts about the goon/null sec heavy CSM since the election.

You may be right, the increase may be fueled a bit by the goons war on ice miners or whatever you call it, as naturally that can **** some people off. However I think the 'deluge' here is because the CEO of CCP expressed his own concern about the CSM bias publicly, and people are feeling hopeful about that. Also with possible changes coming to prevent future CSM's from being too biased in ANY direction.
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#169 - 2011-10-22 18:15:13 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
The CSM has been going from success to success, but ever since Goonswarm began killing miners in hisec, a gaggle of politically naive rabble have been making thread after thread about me.

While I can't keep track day-to-day if it's a "CSM is powerless and a joke" day or a "Mittani has too much power, oh god" day, either way I assure you that I enjoy your hypocritical rage.


CCP CEO TO MITTENS:

"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure"

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2011-10-22 22:26:59 UTC
Eternum Praetorian --> love ur sig line:

"Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI.
Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences"

Having a CSM is fine ... but real data should matter more ...
C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
#171 - 2011-10-23 06:27:34 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.


This. While I voted for someone else, I have to give credit to all the CSM this time around. These people jumped through hoops and dropped everything repeatedly to concentrate on fixing things that needed fixing, and were assailed on all sides for their stance, they were (and are) heroes to me. We owe them a bit of applause.

I don't always agree with what they say, or their views on alot of things, but over all, I feel these people were the guys we needed, on hand when we needed them. Cheers!
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#172 - 2011-10-23 13:58:09 UTC
C4LYP50 wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.


This. While I voted for someone else, I have to give credit to all the CSM this time around. These people jumped through hoops and dropped everything repeatedly to concentrate on fixing things that needed fixing, and were assailed on all sides for their stance, they were (and are) heroes to me. We owe them a bit of applause.

I don't always agree with what they say, or their views on alot of things, but over all, I feel these people were the guys we needed, on hand when we needed them. Cheers!



Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.

The more you keep desperately clinging onto what ever dignity you have left, and trying to give some lame reason, the more stupid you are looking. IM sorry to be a bit flippant, but myself and many others have simple had enough.
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2011-10-23 15:13:22 UTC
How do we know the CSM had anything to do with any improvements? --> maybe it was CCP's balance sheet and shrinking subs instead?
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2011-10-23 15:47:43 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:

Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.


Funny how people who have no complaints with the product and/or service they are receiving rarely go complain on the internet eh?
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#175 - 2011-10-23 16:04:33 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:

Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.


Come on, I too can create a bunch of forum alts and post IN CAPS all over the forums. It doesn't prove anything.

Also, you seems to be....somewhat mad about a video game. Go out, take a deep breath, it helps Cool

You might want to think about something like trains. You know, peoples complain when trains are late right ? They'll complain. When trains arrives right on time, they won't go all "Hurray nice job you did there !" because it's normal. It's how it's supposed to be. Deal with it.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2011-10-23 16:16:33 UTC
I assume he's forgetting to click the heels of his ruby slippers together while repeating things to make them come true.
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#177 - 2011-10-23 16:17:32 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:

Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.


Come on, I too can create a bunch of forum alts and post IN CAPS all over the forums. It doesn't prove anything.

Also, you seems to be....somewhat mad about a video game. Go out, take a deep breath, it helps Cool

You might want to think about something like trains. You know, peoples complain when trains are late right ? They'll complain. When trains arrives right on time, they won't go all "Hurray nice job you did there !" because it's normal. It's how it's supposed to be. Deal with it.



Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid...
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#178 - 2011-10-23 16:20:46 UTC
Confirming that I am satisfied with the CSM as it stands now. They represent the interests of those who care enough about the game to be bothered to spend 5 minutes voting(that was a long freaking list of candidates)

Why would CCP care about the opinions of those who don't care enough about the game to speak up?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#179 - 2011-10-23 16:43:29 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
SMT008 wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:

Funny how you lot are in the MINORITY. Funny how more and more posts have risen, asking for the CSM to be removed. Not just me. Keep arguing your lame case. The simple fact is YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT. ITS GONE. GAME OVER.


Come on, I too can create a bunch of forum alts and post IN CAPS all over the forums. It doesn't prove anything.

Also, you seems to be....somewhat mad about a video game. Go out, take a deep breath, it helps Cool

You might want to think about something like trains. You know, peoples complain when trains are late right ? They'll complain. When trains arrives right on time, they won't go all "Hurray nice job you did there !" because it's normal. It's how it's supposed to be. Deal with it.



Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid...


Look at your post, now back to mine. Now back to your post, now back to mine. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped being so obsessed about the CSM, and switched to do something more constructive, it could look like my post.

Look down.

Back up.

Where are you ?

You're in the Jita Park Speakers Corner, scrolling through posts, writing a post your post could look like.

What's in your hand ?

Back at me. I have it. It's a post that look like it was written by me.

Look again, the post is now diamonds. Everything is possible when you think before you post.
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2011-10-23 17:22:03 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Confirming that I am satisfied with the CSM as it stands now. They represent the interests of those who care enough about the game to be bothered to spend 5 minutes voting(that was a long freaking list of candidates)

Why would CCP care about the opinions of those who don't care enough about the game to speak up?



Because those "uninterested people" are the bulk of the subs who keep EVE alive by paying for it ... .and subs have been decreasing ... so it would be in CCP's best interest to focus on them - and not let the CSM overly influence anything.