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I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?

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Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
#41 - 2011-10-22 14:27:20 UTC
I didn't read anything about CCP scrapping WIS, what's all the hubub? Try not to over react ok?
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#42 - 2011-10-22 14:29:35 UTC
Jashmyne wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things...
1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping
2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty
3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all...
4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that...
5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...

This post says it all.
It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned.
The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it.
They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS.
It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run.



That's the problem m8, they bit off more than they could chew. They didn't think before they acted, and made avatars and environments so detailed that they were then limited how many avatars they could put in one space, and realized only THEN how badly they had screwed up. What CCP advertised Incarna to be would be at LEAST another year down the road. Another year of rejecting to address FiS, and another year of core customers unsubbing, PvP and 0.0 stagnating and everything else that goes along with total neglect of FiS.

CCP probably wouldn't BE in this debacle if they could have delivered what they promised, when they promised. But instead, they seriously overestimated themselves, and Hilmar admitted just as much in his letter, when he spoke about hubris. They can't release what they have because it's crap and can't practically work, and they can't spend another year neglecting FiS to make it work. It's time to move on, that's what they're doing. Maybe when the PC tech catches up with the tech CCP built for Incarna, they'll be able to practically revisit the whole thing.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-10-22 14:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian
I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos.

Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction.

Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea.

That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game.

Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#44 - 2011-10-22 14:37:40 UTC
Ramma Lamma DingDong wrote:
Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success.


Congratulations. Welcome to the real world.
Fulc Dainton
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-22 14:55:37 UTC
Fixing broken stuff - top priority, no argument there from me.

New ships and stuff - no argument again, that's just expanding what has been the "core game" up until Incarna and it'll keep the vocal crowd happy. (The anti-WiS faction don't have to play space barbies if they have their own new toys in space, I just wish they'd stop trying to drive WiS even further down the priority list and proclaiming it dead)

WiS on the back burner - I'm sure I'm not the only one who was actually looking forward to this obvious expansion of the EVE experience. I think we need a definitive statement regarding just how low that back burner is going to be.

I'm happy that ship-spinning is back, but the door is still there for me in stations and this sums it up for me - spinning is there for those that prefer traditional EVE, the door is there for those that want to experience EVE in as many ways as possible.

I'm hoping that we all get the EVE we're looking forward to.
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#46 - 2011-10-22 14:58:48 UTC
I too, joined this spaceship simulation game to play dress up and tea parties. How dare they remove tea parties and add to the spaceship simulation?!

OHHHH if only there were some other game out there that would give me my fill of prancing around in humanoid form.

Get a grip you morons, eve has been spaceships for 8 years, Who the **** are you to expect anything different? It's no different to playing need for speed and complaining that you can't get out of the cars, beat up prostitutes and steal helicopters.

Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#47 - 2011-10-22 15:13:49 UTC
I'd rather be able to walk around inside my ship than inside a station Roll.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#48 - 2011-10-22 15:48:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos.

Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction.

Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea.

That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game.

Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known.


This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly.

EVE had attracted a whole bunch of new players and - sorry to say that - but when I read the alliance names of the absolutely anti-WiS crew talking about space-barbie crap... I feel like sitting on the lap of my grandpa and he tells me about the glorious times when there were no mobile phones. Only I actually could tell that story to my kids if I had any, since grandpa has been dead for 20 years and I remember that mobile phones were bricks when I was twenty.

I think - aside from the leaked letter and the NEX store - both things I was enraged about myself:
MANY just leave because they have played this game without interruption for too many years. There is nothing new in it for them and the shiniest newest features will only hold them a few more months. The best indicator for that is: I have played EVE for over four years now with small interruptions and . That is much longer than I played any other MMO. Still many seem to think: If you haven't been there since Beta, you must be a noob.

Open up to evolution or see yourself drop out of the game because you finally get too bored without any replacement by new players, because there is no further game evolution and the old playerbase is stagnant and single-minded. And often somewhat arrogant - I don't even exclude myself on that point.

Many - definitely not all - new players came and now see that what they came for - a space simulation including multi-player on Avatar base - effectively scrapped. Lets face it: STO stinks, but one of the first things players there cried for was being able to visit their bridge and invite people to it. Because social interaction IS important to many and just being a ship feels weird even to me.

Also I wonder how they want to "integrate" DUST with EVE when there will be no fully functional WiS.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Kile Kitmoore
#49 - 2011-10-22 16:24:58 UTC
Quit.

If you’re here for the promise of this Incarna vision CCP has hyped for years it's time to pack it up and just quit. Don't come back until it's ACTUALLY in the game and working. It really hurts me to say that but my last account is on the fence over this latest little CCP nightmare. Aside from something that's been marketed to us for years getting canned I just don't feel good about the method in which I was informed. Yet again CCP leaps over their player base heads out to a media outlet to give us bad news. Hey CCP we right here on your forums, talk to us directly!

FiS should have NEVER been sacrificed in order to deliver CQ, note I did not say Incarna because in my view this was never launched. Myself and others tried to warn CCP about developing Incarna without gameplay goals and what we got was CQ. In the end it looks like it was only about the WoD engine and the dimes they could scrape together in the Nex.

I don't know what the result of this latest news is going to have on the current player base but if there is another wave of cancels it could be a good thing. A good thing that people stop clinging to this hope of walking around a station and accept EVE for what CCP can deliver, a simple spaceship game.
mkint
#50 - 2011-10-22 16:28:48 UTC
I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-10-22 16:32:51 UTC
Oriaita Lee wrote:

I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie


A.) 0/10

B.) we really need a dislike button

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#52 - 2011-10-22 16:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
mkint wrote:
I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->


You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do.

We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again.

Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. Smile

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-22 16:38:54 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg

Irony, HE hates it too

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#54 - 2011-10-22 16:40:50 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg

Irony, HE hates it too


OK, that was a good one, grant you that! Big smile

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Kile Kitmoore
#55 - 2011-10-22 16:45:27 UTC
mkint wrote:
I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->


I agree to a point but you do understand that CCP dug this hole by marketing this vision and some people may have joined because they were naive enough to believe CCP could deliver it. I really hate using the word naive because CCP is really good on hype, it's the delivery part they fall flat on their faces.

Oh, somebody contact YouTube and tell them to take down the Future Vision video.
mkint
#56 - 2011-10-22 16:45:54 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
mkint wrote:
I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->


You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do.

We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again.

Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. Smile


You're right... I think I'll buy the new Oblivion game for the Invasion of Normandy level. I hope I'm not disappointed. Roll

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#57 - 2011-10-22 17:23:15 UTC
*18 months*

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.

JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#58 - 2011-10-22 17:37:16 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
I've wanted ambulation/incarna/wis since I first started playing in 05, but I do _not_ think it should take priority away from other aspects of the game that need to be looked at or fixed. The fact that they were pushing Incarna out when so many other features in the game were either broken, or not working as intended, is what was really annoying me.

Hopefully at some point they do continue development of Incarna. But on that same note I also hope that they wait until they can deliver on the pending features and fixes that the game is in dire need of. Especially those that only serve to correct other "dead in the water" and broken features that they have already implemented.

Not to mention that the entire idea of releasing 1 room to us as part of Incarna made any sense. They should have waited until the mechanics were in place to release a more substantial WIS build.

Because as it stands, I feel like THIS when pigeonholed into my little CQ with no toilet to speak of.
Katsumi Kaminari
#59 - 2011-10-22 17:41:42 UTC
CCP hit Incarna with a nerf bat. Remember kids, if you set your expectations low, you will never be disappointed. Big smile

In blossom today, then scattered: Life is so like a delicate flower. How can one expect the fragrance To last forever? - Vice Admiral Ohnishi, Kamikaze Special Attack Force

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-10-22 17:46:52 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly.

there is one resource and it is called money