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Dawn Amo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-10 14:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dawn Amo
What would be the best type of ORE to mine in 0.5( i don't feel ready to move further yet) sec for a starter?

At the moment i fly a venture,would it be better to change to the sigil i got from the career mission?

I use 2 hobgoblins as protection drones in case i run into rats,would it be better to use 2 mining drones instead,if so,what would be my method of defense?

Should i sell the raw ore ( i get 1 mil per full cargo mining veldspar) or refine it int ominerals and then sell it?i noticed that in most cases that i get less when rifining than when selling the raw ore.

How should i prepare before advancing further into the lower sec parts of the space to mine?What skills should i have trained and to what level before doing so?

Also,can you just steal the ore from someone else's jettison?Do you get flagged if you just peak into it?

Thanks for your time.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2012-12-10 14:48:18 UTC
Can't help with mining details but I would advise you to join a mining corp. They would help you with ship fits and what to mine. Good corp will also have scheduled mining operations with fleet and bonuses from orca or whatever is used to boost mining yield. They would also provide you with protection from rats and if they are really good also from other players.

Anyway if you decide to use mining drones your only protection against rats would be your ship tank which usually means passive regen of your shields.

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Calico-Jack Daniels
#3 - 2012-12-10 14:49:01 UTC
Depending where you are, Pyroxeres and Plagioclase are good ores to mine and both should be abundant in 0.5 space.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2012-12-10 14:54:50 UTC
To get the maximum profit from mining and refining, you will want to have Refinery Efficiency trained and have NPC standings above 6.67 with the corp whose refinery you wish to use.

To make the most profit per hour while mining, you really need to build "The Spreadsheet". In this spreadsheet you will want entry fields for each mineral, then a breakdown of how many of each mineral will be generated from a refining batch, along with a value per cubic metre for that ore. Then you just go and mine the ore worth the highest ISK per cubic metre.

HTH
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-10 15:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Or you can use it as a relaxing past-time, rather than a full time job.

Warp to belt, pick 1 end, bm the roid and use the bm to rewarp to it.
now just munch your way (left or right) across the screen on any and every roid that falls into laser range.
adjust your bm as you move laterally through the field
warp to station to dump ore when required

refine and/or sell at your leisure.



no, it's not the best isk/hr
but stressing over the best isk/hr can take the fun out of the game
and it is a game, that you play to have fun.




[edit]
Jetcans :- hold 27000 m3 of 'stuff''
you can peak to your hearts content on any jetcan

white = yours (it's yours .. lol)
yellow = someone elses (peaking is fine, taking means they can shoot you)
blue = abandoned (free for all on it's contents)
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2012-12-10 15:31:13 UTC
Having fun in mah Eve? Imposibru. We have quotas and deadlines and stuff.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-10 15:41:35 UTC
Dawn Amo wrote:
What would be the best type of ORE to mine in 0.5( i don't feel ready to move further yet) sec for a starter?


Changes from day to day (well, month to month at least)

Check here
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#8 - 2012-12-10 18:17:12 UTC
Ok, I'm actually going to answer a question about mining. In order to retain some level of self respect I feel obligated to preface this post with this:

Do not mine. Do gank, bump, can-flip, and harass miners. It is more fun.Twisted

Ok, you have a Venture. The usual progression used to be from mining frig to cruiser to barge, but they have removed mining bonuses from the cruisers, so it is better to move directly from your venture to a mining barge. Don't mine with an industrial. Mine with a fleet of cool people so it is less boring.

Mining drones improve your yield, but you need something to kill the rats, so stick with the hobgoblins unless your fleet mates can take care of the rats for you.

Stick to highsec for now, then maybe look into a nullsec mining corp in a stable alliance. Lowsec mining is generally less profitable, though it can be fun to dodge the pirates. If you want to mine in lowsec do it in gravimetric exploration sites and learn about dscan and bookmarks.

When you can't stand any more mining, consider taking up miner ganking.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-10 19:27:56 UTC
Dawn Amo wrote:
What would be the best type of ORE to mine in 0.5( i don't feel ready to move further yet) sec for a starter?

At the moment i fly a venture,would it be better to change to the sigil ....


Stopped reading there...

Why use a ship that is designed for HAULING to mine.

It is NOT a mining ship, hell that venture will spit out 100x more Ore over that sigil.

If you want to mine:

Venture - Retriever - Mackinaw (solo path)
Venture - Covetor - Hulk (fleet path).

Create an alt (on 2nd account) for: Hauler - Orca (hauler + booster).

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Merouk Baas
#10 - 2012-12-10 20:40:20 UTC
Best ore to mine: depends on mineral prices at the time. This is why people keep answering you with "it depends". You can use a spreadsheet such as grismar.net/ore and plug in the current mineral prices for trit, pyerite, mexallon, etc, and it will tell you what's the most profitable ore.

Note that you can only get the first 4 ores in high-sec. Roids for omber and lower don't appear in high-sec.

As far as mining ship progression, "Industrial" does not mean "for industry". "Industrial" is just the name they chose to give some of the cheaper transport ships.

For mining, you want to be able to install as many mining lasers as possible. Mining lasers are turrets; a ship has to have many high slots, and has to have many turret slots, for you to install multiple mining lasers.

And on top of that, even if you take a battleship with its 8 high slots and 7-8 turrets, mining lasers require a lot of CPU to fit, and most guns require a lot of Power Grid. Thus, if CCP wants a ship to be used for battle, it will make that ship have a lot of grid, and very little CPU. You won't be able to fit your 8 lasers quite a few of the battleships, due to small CPU.

So, to sum it up, your best bet is the mining frigates -> mining barges path. Or, you can stop at mining frigate, and train for combat, and you may be able to convert the odd cruiser or battleship to mining, but even the cheaper barges will beat it hands down in terms of mining output.
Yuna Talie-Kuo
Laborantem Societatis
#11 - 2012-12-10 20:54:13 UTC
The Cerlestes is a great spreadsheet designed for ore prices. Currently if you want THE BEST, it would be Scordite and Plagioclaise, depending on the trade hubs in your area. If I were to use a Mackinaw with:

T2 Crystals
T2 Strip Miners
Exhumers IV
3% Mining Implant
No Orca Boost

This can all equate to about 7 million ISK per 35k m3 load (in Scordite). This is approximately 45 minutes of mining (Including target switching and belt switching)

That number can equate to 8.5 million in minerals

Also: An Orca is NOT WORTH IT unless you have 5 or more miners blasting away. A second miner is better than a booster.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#12 - 2012-12-10 20:54:32 UTC
I always used Cerlestes.de to find the best type of ore. Sort by ISK/m3 and use the best value.

Do NOT mine with a bestower, unless you hate your life. Use the new Venture mining frigate until you can use a barge, and then pick based on whether you tend to find yourself wanting more tank, more yield, or more ore bay capacity.
Dave Stark
#13 - 2012-12-10 21:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Yuna Talie-Kuo wrote:
Also: An Orca is NOT WORTH IT unless you have 5 or more miners blasting away. A second miner is better than a booster.

wrong, 2 miners or more is the point where a max skilled orca is worth more than an extra hulk.


Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Use the new Venture mining frigate until you can use a barge, and then pick the retriever unless you're mentally challenged.

FTFY
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-10 22:08:07 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Note that you can only get the first 4 ores in high-sec. Roids for omber and lower don't appear in high-sec.


Omber appears in Gallente and Minmatar highsec. Kernite in Amarr highsec
Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-12-10 22:36:58 UTC
Dawn Amo wrote:
What would be the best type of ORE to mine in 0.5( i don't feel ready to move further yet) sec for a starter?

At the moment i fly a venture,would it be better to change to the sigil i got from the career mission?

I use 2 hobgoblins as protection drones in case i run into rats,would it be better to use 2 mining drones instead,if so,what would be my method of defense?

Should i sell the raw ore ( i get 1 mil per full cargo mining veldspar) or refine it int ominerals and then sell it?i noticed that in most cases that i get less when rifining than when selling the raw ore.

How should i prepare before advancing further into the lower sec parts of the space to mine?What skills should i have trained and to what level before doing so?

Also,can you just steal the ore from someone else's jettison?Do you get flagged if you just peak into it?

Thanks for your time.

Your best bet would be to mine either Omber or Plagioclase and Pyroxeres, depending on your location (Omber is worth a bit more, but it's also a very little bit harder to find).

Don't bother with Mining Drones. They do little to contribute to your yield, and you'll probably be better off using a pair of Hobgoblins to kill rats.

You shouldn't switch to the Sigil, just because it has a larger cargohold. You want the best yield that you can get, and that's from the Venture (until you get to Mining Barges and Exhumers).

To go into low-sec or null-sec to mine, you'll mostly want friends and a tank. As long as you do that and keep an eye on your ship, you should be fine.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-10 23:05:26 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
Your best bet would be to mine either Omber or Plagioclase and Pyroxeres, depending on your location (Omber is worth a bit more, but it's also a very little bit harder to find).


Omber is worth less than Pyroxeres per m3, about the same as Plagioclase. Since mining lasers pull a fixed m3 per cycle, it's the value per m3 that's important, not the value per unit.

Pyroxeres - 64.83 per unit (Jita sell), 0.3m3, 216.1 ISK/m3
Plagioclase - 72.7 per unit, 0.35 m3, 207.71 ISK/m3
Omber - 125.0 per unit, 0.6 m3, 208 ISK/m3
Sirynax
Surrepticius
#17 - 2012-12-11 04:06:26 UTC
Didn't want to start a new thread to ask a question and since OP's question was answered hope it's ok to tack on an extra question in here.....

I'm in a ret and using t2 modulated strip miners x 2 and t2 veldspar crystals....
I could have sworn when I mouse over them a few days ago it was saying something like 1200 m3 per cycle.....
now it is saying only 833m3 per cycle....

Does that make sense, or did I break something, or am I just sleepy and my brain is mush right now?

I had asked in help if as the crystals take damage they yield less per cycle but was told no....
am going to confirm that for myself by buying new crystals to see.... but was asking in here anyways since so many
skilled miners appeared to be viewing this thread.
Dave Stark
#18 - 2012-12-11 07:54:34 UTC
Sirynax wrote:
Didn't want to start a new thread to ask a question and since OP's question was answered hope it's ok to tack on an extra question in here.....

I'm in a ret and using t2 modulated strip miners x 2 and t2 veldspar crystals....
I could have sworn when I mouse over them a few days ago it was saying something like 1200 m3 per cycle.....
now it is saying only 833m3 per cycle....

Does that make sense, or did I break something, or am I just sleepy and my brain is mush right now?

I had asked in help if as the crystals take damage they yield less per cycle but was told no....
am going to confirm that for myself by buying new crystals to see.... but was asking in here anyways since so many
skilled miners appeared to be viewing this thread.


they do not reduce in yield as the crystal gains damage.

however; the tooltip shows the yield of your strip miner without the crystal's bonus applied to it [i'm assuming that's a bug]. where as if you "show info" and go down to the specialised yield or whatever it's called, that's how much you mine when you're targeting the correct rocks with the proper crystals loaded.
Sirynax
Surrepticius
#19 - 2012-12-12 12:32:22 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Sirynax wrote:
Didn't want to start a new thread to ask a question and since OP's question was answered hope it's ok to tack on an extra question in here.....

I'm in a ret and using t2 modulated strip miners x 2 and t2 veldspar crystals....
I could have sworn when I mouse over them a few days ago it was saying something like 1200 m3 per cycle.....
now it is saying only 833m3 per cycle....

Does that make sense, or did I break something, or am I just sleepy and my brain is mush right now?

I had asked in help if as the crystals take damage they yield less per cycle but was told no....
am going to confirm that for myself by buying new crystals to see.... but was asking in here anyways since so many
skilled miners appeared to be viewing this thread.


they do not reduce in yield as the crystal gains damage.

however; the tooltip shows the yield of your strip miner without the crystal's bonus applied to it [i'm assuming that's a bug]. where as if you "show info" and go down to the specialised yield or whatever it's called, that's how much you mine when you're targeting the correct rocks with the proper crystals loaded.


OK that's what was messing me up.... each laser is showing 899m3 per cycle.... tried swapping out crystals and still shows same...

Thank you for that nugget of gold :)
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-13 08:15:38 UTC
Believe it or not, Veldspar is quite profitable for a highsec miner. Industry requires vast mind bogglingly large amounts of Tritanium. A hefty source of it comes from the Veldspar asteroids. I also hear Kernite is profitable as well and it's found in highsec mostly in Amarr space.

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