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If all the empires and citizens joined forces..

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Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-12-10 17:47:54 UTC
If u go read a few story's you would see the jovens wiped the floor with them because.they new.what they where bringing,

Aka the jovens new the ammar fleet was mostly.made.up.of slow moving battle ships so the got long range.track I g titans and lots of fast webbing frigs,

Aka hold them still while the joven Titans.blaped.them one at a time.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-12-10 17:54:05 UTC
I'm more curious why there is such a lack of full body cybernetics and mental uploads.
Tech we in real life are projected to have by the turn of the century.
It strikes me as odd, especially as the earlier pics of EVE I find did have extensive implants and replacement tech.
Now it all seems like humans with better tech.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-10 17:57:19 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
I'm more curious why there is such a lack of full body cybernetics and mental uploads.
Tech we in real life are projected to have by the turn of the century.
It strikes me as odd, especially as the earlier pics of EVE I find did have extensive implants and replacement tech.
Now it all seems like humans with better tech.

It exists, it's just not represented in game itself, seeing as you can't really do anything outside of your ship, and a cybernetic prothstetic doesn't really do you much good inside a pod.

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#24 - 2012-12-10 18:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Everyone knows that if the Jove showed themselves again, Goons would simply wipe them out, take their space, exploit their space for untold riches , then demand that every goon/test/pl/etc player be given free jove skillbooks so they can fly their plunder and wtfpwnbbq the rest of eve.



This.

At the time there wasn't a 9,000 strong army of fat and raging capsuleers who would have happily taken on the Jove instead of Amarr.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-10 18:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I thought the only problem the Jove had with Amaar was Amaar trying to conquer them, and the Jove destroying an entire fleet of the most advanced Amaar ships available at the time in what amounted to a one shot kill.

Those advanced Amarr ships were T1 fit Apoc's and and Mallers, the fleet was small and they could not engage with the rest of the Golden Fleet because the Minmatar rebellion had begun right after. (Bet the Jove had a hand in that.)

Still even with prep time to get a specific counter fleet together "and that is what it was" they still took casualties. The Amarr military is a hundred times more powerful now and are not fighting a rebellion. They lost interest back then, if the other Empires were not buffer between them and the Jove the Jove would be finished absolutely.

The Amaar consider their defeat at the hands of the jove one of the most embarrasing events in Amaar history.

And there is technology that the Jove have access to that we can't even figure out. The jove aren't a threat because of what we know, it's what we don't know, and there's a lot that we have access too that we don't understand and the jove do.

It would be silly to think in such a short time we were able to surpass jove technology. When there's still things floating around New Eden we can't even figure out.

There's no indication how advanced the jove really are, only that it's a safe bet to assume they're far ahead of us.


Edit: It's a sleeper behind the dust technology, not a human from one of the four empries. If it wasn't for the sleeper in the Amaar queen, it wouldn't exist. We know far less than we think we do. It was kind of an underlying idea in Templar One.
Anslo
Scope Works
#26 - 2012-12-10 18:09:14 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I thought the only problem the Jove had with Amaar was Amaar trying to conquer them, and the Jove destroying an entire fleet of the most advanced Amaar ships available at the time in what amounted to a one shot kill.

Those advanced Amarr ships were T1 fit Apoc's and and Mallers, the fleet was small and they could not engage with the rest of the Golden Fleet because the Minmatar rebellion had begun right after. (Bet the Jove had a hand in that.)

Still even with prep time to get a specific counter fleet together "and that is what it was" they still took casualties. The Amarr military is a hundred times more powerful now and are not fighting a rebellion. They lost interest back then, if the other Empires were not buffer between them and the Jove the Jove would be finished absolutely.

The Amaar consider their defeat at the hands of the jove one of the most embarrasing events in Amaar history.

And there is technology that the Jove have access to that we can't even figure out. The jove aren't a threat because of what we know, it's what we don't know, and there's a lot that we have access too that we don't understand and the jove do.

It would be silly to think in such a short time we were able to surpass jove technology. When there's still things floating around New Eden we can't even figure out.

There's no indication how advanced the jove really are, only that it's a safe bet to assume they're far ahead of us.


Edit: It's a sleeper behind the dust technology, not a human from one of the four empries. If it wasn't for the sleeper in the Amaar queen, it wouldn't exist. We know far less than we think we do. It was kind of an underlying idea in Templar One.


That's not a "Sleeper" in Jamyl. I mean, it SORT of it, but it isn't?...

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-10 18:16:56 UTC
Anslo wrote:


That's not a "Sleeper" in Jamyl. I mean, it SORT of it, but it isn't?...

It's a sleeper. "How" it got in her is the mystery.

Someone altered her clone and implant so that the sleeper could get into her when she transfered to it.

What it wants is the scary part because it wants the sleeper tech put into humans, but Templar One doesn't actually tell us that it wants to destroy the rest of the sleeprs, only that we're destroying the sleeper world removing the implants from them.

I wonder if they figured out how to come back and avoid the plague. Like by transfering their consciousness into the people with the implants.

And considering what she's able to do, it begs the question, just how powerful are the sleeprs, and what exactly are they capable of.

I got the impression from the dead jove that messing with the sleeprs is a really bad idea.
Alara IonStorm
#28 - 2012-12-10 18:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

The Amaar consider their defeat at the hands of the jove one of the most embarrasing events in Amaar history.

Yeah and?
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

And there is technology that the Jove have access to that we can't even figure out. The jove aren't a threat because of what we know, it's what we don't know, and there's a lot that we have access too that we don't understand and the jove do.

I bet they have some ultra mega secret this isn't my final form device that they can deus ex machina their way out of every danger.

Jove is apparently French for Mary Sue.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

It would be silly to think in such a short time we were able to surpass jove technology. When there's still things floating around New Eden we can't even figure out.

Never said they surpassed them. AK-47's are not nearly as advanced as Predator Drones. Doesn't mean a Predator Drone is going to save you from 2000000 guys with AK-47's.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

There's no indication how advanced the jove really are, only that it's a safe bet to assume they're far ahead of us.

So they have a Tiger Tank and the Empire have 150000 T-34's big deal.

Jove are ahead in Technology but the Empire Tech isn't exactly sticks and stones and they have the numbers. Jove a while back had trouble with 600 fail fits using a counter fleet. If the Empires put their hundreds of thousands of ships on the Jove they are finished unless they discovered the be all and end all of weapons since the Amarr invasion, but I would not count on that, or that even being enough.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-10 18:35:22 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:


Jove are a head in Technology but the Empire Tech isn't exactly sticks and stones and they have the numbers. Jove a while back had trouble with 600 fail fits using a counter fleet. If the Empires put their hundreds of thousands of ships on the Jove they are finished unless they discovered the be all and end all of weapons since the Amarr invasion, but I would not count on that, or that even being enough.

One of the big messages in Templar One, is that we're not as big as we think we are. That there are things in the galaxy that we can't compete with, and that there is a danger we aren't in a possition to protect ourselves against.

The jove are the only race that know what that is, were there when it was, understand it, and can be safely assumed have access to it.

We can't even get to them, but hey can ge to us.

What we see isn't the threat, it's what we don't know.
And we have no idea what exists in Jove space. For all we know they can press one button, and everything ends.
Alara IonStorm
#30 - 2012-12-10 18:38:28 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

One of the big messages in Templar One, is that we're not as big as we think we are. That there are things in the galaxy that we can't compete with, and that there is a danger we aren't in a possition to protect ourselves against.

The jove are the only race that know what that is, were there when it was, understand it, and can be safely assumed have access to it.

We can't even get to them, but hey can ge to us.

What we see isn't the threat, it's what we don't know.
And we have no idea what exists in Jove space. For all we know they can press one button, and everything ends.

Well that book must suck going against everything EVE lore had set the Jove up to be if it gave them that kind of power.

I hope it doesn't seep that Mary Sue Jove Sh*t into EVE proper. They are much better as puppet masters then Species 8472.
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-12-10 18:54:25 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Well the Jove still took loses in that fight against T1 fit Beam Mallers and Apoc's and a few changes have occurred in the Empire since then.

* Rigs
* T2
* T3
* Capitals
* Super Capitals

I would bet if it were a Scorch Baddons / AHAC Zealots & Legions / Tach Oracle Fleets supported by Guardians / New Augorors things might be a lil bit different.

I think if they dropped 50 Avatars supported by Aeons the dying and stagnant Jove Empire that is outnumbered 50/1 might have a few issues on their hands.


You're forgetting one thing. During the time it took to acquire this new technology, the Jove probably developed a lot of new tech of their own.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#32 - 2012-12-10 18:55:18 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

One of the big messages in Templar One, is that we're not as big as we think we are. That there are things in the galaxy that we can't compete with, and that there is a danger we aren't in a possition to protect ourselves against.

The jove are the only race that know what that is, were there when it was, understand it, and can be safely assumed have access to it.

We can't even get to them, but hey can ge to us.

What we see isn't the threat, it's what we don't know.
And we have no idea what exists in Jove space. For all we know they can press one button, and everything ends.

Well that book must suck going against everything EVE lore had set the Jove up to be if it gave them that kind of power.

I hope it doesn't seep that Mary Sue Jove Sh*t into EVE proper. They are much better as puppet masters then Species 8472.


There are also those who may control the jove the Enheduanni

wumbo
Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2012-12-10 19:00:57 UTC
Suddenly Boom wrote:

You're forgetting one thing. During the time it took to acquire this new technology, the Jove probably developed a lot of new tech of their own.

No I didn't. The Jove siphon Tech to the Empires on top of the Empires discovering it. Never in this thread have I said they were on equal footing.

Jove can have a 1000 T4 Ships, probably won't save them from death by a million Drakes.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#34 - 2012-12-10 19:04:49 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:


Jove can have a 1000 T4 Ships, probably won't save them from death by a million Drakes.


T4s can kite from 80+km. Your drakes will be useless. Big smile

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Alara IonStorm
#35 - 2012-12-10 19:09:33 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

T4s can kite from 80+km. Your drakes will be useless. Big smile

I take you fly your ship by sitting still on grid, never warping, never employing support or tactics...

Yeah the Jove could kick your ass but then again you are Unsuccessful At Everything.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-10 19:10:51 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Well that book must suck going against everything EVE lore had set the Jove up to be if it gave them that kind of power.

I hope it doesn't seep that Mary Sue Jove Sh*t into EVE proper. They are much better as puppet masters then Species 8472.

It didn't do that though.

It only makes us aware that the jove WERE NOT the most powerful group in New Eden. In fact, I think it actually put them only a step above us. I think it actually mentions a group more powerful than the jove (another group that assisted the sleeprs directly) and they aren't even the most powerful group in New Eden.

But you can assume, sinse the jove are the only group that remained active, and aware, that they also have access to technology that we do not, because they don't want us to.

It's also a really good book if you haven't read it. It expands on the lore a lot, explains dust, and forshadows a possible future that does't look so good for us.

I personally think that if the sleepers wake up, it will be the 4 empires allied with the jove. The sleeprs didn't sound like they were very benevolent; for all we know they're the reason the EVE gate closed.


I also don't undersand the Mary Sue reference?

And you're right, the jove aren't the puppet masters people expected them to be, but we don't write the lore; so it's not really our call how things unfold. Not liking it is entirely subjective. I personally like the fact that the Jove aren't the end all in EVE, and that the jove manipulation may have more to do with protecting us than anything else.

It could be that they gave us the capsule technology because our return to space put us in a possition to awaken something that we're unprepared to deal with. They could very well be preparing us for a war.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-10 19:14:37 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

T4s can kite from 80+km. Your drakes will be useless. Big smile

I take you fly your ship by sitting still on grid, never warping, never employing support or tactics...

Yeah the Jove could kick your ass but then again you are Unsuccessful At Everything.

Jove don't need the gates. if they can go places without using a gate, what could they do with a ship of war.

How exactly do we get a million ships into jove space? And what's to say that there isn't something sitting there with the ability to vaporize an entire armada.

No amount of numbers will save you from a single red button that ends it all.
Alara IonStorm
#38 - 2012-12-10 19:18:46 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

what could they do with a ship of war.

Lose them to the Amarr.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

How exactly do we get a million ships into jove space? And what's to say that there isn't something sitting there with the ability to vaporize an entire armada.

The same way the Amarr did and vaporize that thing right back of course.

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

No amount of numbers will save you from a single red button that ends it all.

Tuxford would never side against the Empires.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#39 - 2012-12-10 20:02:15 UTC
The unification of highsec under the leadership of James 315 is in progress as we speak.

If these "Jove" do show up they will need permits. 10 million isk each.

NO exceptions
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
leoplusma
Delfus Inc.
#40 - 2012-12-10 21:12:04 UTC
Karrde Belarr wrote:
leoplusma wrote:
well, all that is being posted above is rational
but you may seem to forget that we know NIL
about the Jovians since the entrance closed...

so even if now we have t3 etc etc, we may still
be behind :p lol

after all, have u ever thought that all those NEW ships
and NEW techs that are being given to us by CCP
are nothing more than glimpses of what Jovians
are actually fly lol perhaps we are being given whats
old enough for the Jovians to share

^^ kisses and fly safe all


Except that T3 doesn't come from the Jovians -- it comes from the Sleepers. Personally, I'm really excited to see what happens with the Sleepers. That is, to see if they will get to "reawaken" inside the bodies of their "hosts" as some recent Eve chronicles hint at. I'm curious to know what actually happened to the humans of the sleeper race as a whole...

Anyways, that's off-topic. Yeah, T3 -> sleepers.


lol, good point.
But Sleepers would never have existed in the first place if it wasnt the Jovians
who are in fact hidden ccp devs! there is a conspiracy here to be cleared out
perhaps we need to wait for a page like JovianLeaks.com to be created!

BUT seriously now, it would be great if we could find from time to time bpc
from the Jovian ships... after all they do exist in-game database...
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