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If all the empires and citizens joined forces..

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icantseeshidtcaptain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-10 16:06:18 UTC
I have been reading some of the fiction, namely the bit about the Amarr getting trashed by the Jove on their aggresive expansion. Do you think if each empire combined and coordinated its efforts they would stand a chance in a conflict against the Jove? Or are they simply too far in advance?
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2012-12-10 16:08:54 UTC
Jove are dying, Eve is Dying.... No point :P

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-12-10 16:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Well the Jove still took loses in that fight against T1 fit Beam Mallers and Apoc's and a few changes have occurred in the Empire since then.

* Rigs
* T2
* T3
* Capitals
* Super Capitals

I would bet if it were a Scorch Baddons / AHAC Zealots & Legions / Tach Oracle Fleets supported by Guardians / New Augorors things might be a lil bit different.

I think if they dropped 50 Avatars supported by Aeons the dying and stagnant Jove Empire that is outnumbered 50/1 might have a few issues on their hands.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-10 16:20:35 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I think if they dropped 50 Avatars supported by Aeons the dying and stagnant Jove Empire that is outnumbered 50/1 might have a few issues on their hands.

Nerf supercaps.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Karrde Belarr
Critical Horizon
#5 - 2012-12-10 16:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrde Belarr
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Well the Jove still took loses in that fight against T1 fit Beam Mallers and Apoc's and a few changes have occurred in the Empire since then.

* Rigs
* T2
* T3
* Capitals
* Super Capitals


Not to mention there are hints in Eve fiction that the Sansha have successfully assaulted Jove dwellings and taken technology from them that gives them an extra edge. If the Sansha can do it, I'm willing to bet the Empires probably could now as well.
leoplusma
Delfus Inc.
#6 - 2012-12-10 16:35:19 UTC
well, all that is being posted above is rational
but you may seem to forget that we know NIL
about the Jovians since the entrance closed...

so even if now we have t3 etc etc, we may still
be behind :p lol

after all, have u ever thought that all those NEW ships
and NEW techs that are being given to us by CCP
are nothing more than glimpses of what Jovians
are actually fly lol perhaps we are being given whats
old enough for the Jovians to share

^^ kisses and fly safe all
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#7 - 2012-12-10 17:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtreem
The jove have been most neglected :-( I still have a complex Fullerene shard or 2 and some other random body parts from way back in the day!
Karrde Belarr
Critical Horizon
#8 - 2012-12-10 17:22:11 UTC
leoplusma wrote:
well, all that is being posted above is rational
but you may seem to forget that we know NIL
about the Jovians since the entrance closed...

so even if now we have t3 etc etc, we may still
be behind :p lol

after all, have u ever thought that all those NEW ships
and NEW techs that are being given to us by CCP
are nothing more than glimpses of what Jovians
are actually fly lol perhaps we are being given whats
old enough for the Jovians to share

^^ kisses and fly safe all


Except that T3 doesn't come from the Jovians -- it comes from the Sleepers. Personally, I'm really excited to see what happens with the Sleepers. That is, to see if they will get to "reawaken" inside the bodies of their "hosts" as some recent Eve chronicles hint at. I'm curious to know what actually happened to the humans of the sleeper race as a whole...

Anyways, that's off-topic. Yeah, T3 -> sleepers.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-10 17:24:02 UTC
They can't get to jove space, they don't even have a clear idea of where exactly they are or if they're even there.

And no, I don't think so.
Jove technology is still far more advanced than empries. They could probably wipe the empires out with just drones.

And yeah, I do feel really nerdy.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#10 - 2012-12-10 17:24:37 UTC
Just ignore the fact that every system is bugged by the Jove...

They know everything!
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-10 17:25:17 UTC
What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-10 17:28:05 UTC
Karrde Belarr wrote:
leoplusma wrote:
well, all that is being posted above is rational
but you may seem to forget that we know NIL
about the Jovians since the entrance closed...

so even if now we have t3 etc etc, we may still
be behind :p lol

after all, have u ever thought that all those NEW ships
and NEW techs that are being given to us by CCP
are nothing more than glimpses of what Jovians
are actually fly lol perhaps we are being given whats
old enough for the Jovians to share

^^ kisses and fly safe all


Except that T3 doesn't come from the Jovians -- it comes from the Sleepers. Personally, I'm really excited to see what happens with the Sleepers. That is, to see if they will get to "reawaken" inside the bodies of their "hosts" as some recent Eve chronicles hint at. I'm curious to know what actually happened to the humans of the sleeper race as a whole...

Anyways, that's off-topic. Yeah, T3 -> sleepers.

Sleepers were, at the time before they become "the sleepers", more advanced than the joves. I belive the lore is that the Joves actually worked for the sleepers, or something like that.

But the sleepers effectively removed themselves from the physical world, a long time ago. I believe even before the collapse of the EVE gate. Their technology stopped advancing in the realm of physics and started advancing in the world virtual reality. The Joves stayed, and continued to advance the technology available to them.

The jove could be 10s of thousands of years ahead of us.
And they're very concerned with what we're doing to the sleepers. They aren't fans of genocide.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#13 - 2012-12-10 17:28:35 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

Apperently you've never read any lore...

Let me explain something...

Sleepers created the "Jovian disease" in order to control the Jove...

The empires are scared shitless of the Jove...

The Jove are scared shitless of the Sleepers...

Go read a book...
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-10 17:29:43 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

Already were, and still are.

The jove are aware of what is happening with the sleeper tech, and the sleeprs themselves. They're the reason why everyone has the technology.

It was a jove that told the Amaar scientist to inform others of what was going on that the queen isn't who they think she is.
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2012-12-10 17:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

The jove could be 10s of thousands of years ahead of us.

Cept they had trouble with 3 Lvl 4 Missions worth of Sh*t Fit Amarr Ships from back before Amarr had real ships and that was when they were ambushing Amarr.

Jove are all smoke and mirrors. They survive by playing one Empire against the other. No one Empire can invade Jove Space because that Technology in the hands of an Empire that can build 200 Titans is a lot more dangerous then in the hands of a tiny dying Empire. The other Empires would absolute 100% side with the Jove to keep that tech out of their enemies hands and that would be the Empire war to end all wars.

The Jove keep the balance behind the scenes levying knowledge and information because on the scenes they are a well equipped fly. They are a CIA Empire of sorts not the Borg.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-10 17:35:49 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

Apperently you've never read any lore...

Let me explain something...

Sleepers created the "Jovian disease" in order to control the Jove...

The empires are scared shitless of the Jove...

The Jove are scared shitless of the Sleepers...

Go read a book...

I thought the jove did it to themselves, accidentally; which is why they gave capsule tech to the caldari, so they could study them and see what happens.

Who is the broker?
Is he Jove, or is he just a capsuleer who happens to posses some the tech that caused the Jove decease. And my impression is that he's not gone, just waiting to be able to jump back into a clone that won't die right away. Which should mean that if the jove haven't found a cure, they're doing the same thing.

Which could beg the question, why did the sleepers decide to live in a virtual world, exactly? Is it possible they're suffering the same fate and this was the only option they were able to find, and have the jove been working to not just cure themselves, but other groups of humans that lived during the time of the EVE gate who also had the decease?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-10 17:37:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

The jove could be 10s of thousands of years ahead of us.

Cept they had trouble with 3 Lvl 4 Missions worth of Sh*t Fit Amarr Ships from back before Amarr had real ships and that was when they were ambushing Amarr.

Jove are all smoke and mirrors. They survive by playing 1 Empire against the other. No one Empire can invade Jove Space because that Technology in the hands of some Empire that can build 200 Titans is a lot more dangerous then in the hands of a tiny dying one. The other Empires would absolute 100% side with the Jove.

The Jove keep the balance behind the scenes levying knowledge and information because on the scenes they are a well equipped fly. They are a CIA Empire of sorts not the Borg.

I thought the only problem the Jove had with Amaar was Amaar trying to conquer them, and the Jove destroying an entire fleet of the most advanced Amaar ships available at the time in what amounted to a one shot kill.
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2012-12-10 17:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I thought the only problem the Jove had with Amaar was Amaar trying to conquer them, and the Jove destroying an entire fleet of the most advanced Amaar ships available at the time in what amounted to a one shot kill.

Those advanced Amarr ships were T1 fit Apoc's and and Mallers, the fleet was small and they could not engage with the rest of the Golden Fleet because the Minmatar rebellion had begun right after. (Bet the Jove had a hand in that.)

Still even with prep time to get a specific counter fleet together "and that is what it was" they still took casualties. The Amarr military is a hundred times more powerful now and are not fighting a rebellion. They lost interest back then, if the other Empires were not buffer between them and the Jove the Jove would be finished absolutely.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2012-12-10 17:44:49 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

Apperently you've never read any lore...

Let me explain something...

Sleepers created the "Jovian disease" in order to control the Jove...

The empires are scared shitless of the Jove...

The Jove are scared shitless of the Sleepers...

Go read a book...

I thought the jove did it to themselves, accidentally; which is why they gave capsule tech to the caldari, so they could study them and see what happens.

Who is the broker?
Is he Jove, or is he just a capsuleer who happens to posses some the tech that caused the Jove decease. And my impression is that he's not gone, just waiting to be able to jump back into a clone that won't die right away. Which should mean that if the jove haven't found a cure, they're doing the same thing.

Which could beg the question, why did the sleepers decide to live in a virtual world, exactly? Is it possible they're suffering the same fate and this was the only option they were able to find, and have the jove been working to not just cure themselves, but other groups of humans that lived during the time of the EVE gate who also had the decease?


The sleepers supposedly live in a virtual world because it allows them a chance to develop technology at a far quicker pace than would be allowed in meat space. That said, they still have actual bodies, but their brain is working elsewhere. And it is very possible they are suffering a similar fate, due to several enclaves that show up. If I'm not mistaken, a c6 site known as "The Mirror" has a medical Enclave that makes specific mention of a quarantine wing and allusions to a wide spread plague. Very interesting if you ask me.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2012-12-10 17:47:28 UTC
Everyone knows that if the Jove showed themselves again, Goons would simply wipe them out, take their space, exploit their space for untold riches , then demand that every goon/test/pl/etc player be given free jove skillbooks so they can fly their plunder and wtfpwnbbq the rest of eve.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

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