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Pulling the Plug on WiS

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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2012-12-10 00:43:14 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Mix fealing, if done correctly, WiS could be a good addition to EvE/Dusk. But on the other hand, incarna fiasco almost killed EvE...


I think it would have been absolutely fine if they hadn't screwed up on the pricing.

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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#522 - 2012-12-10 00:49:58 UTC
I hated WIS anyway.
Nick Rich
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#523 - 2012-12-10 07:06:22 UTC
Maybe it's time to give at least ССP what some information on what they have done now? And then can those who hate Incarna look at it differently? Maybe they will change their minds? Kind of like Incarna - this is the piece that has been promised and was away from the game. Need some sort of specificity of CCP, yes or no.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#524 - 2012-12-10 10:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
adding my voice and opinion

I hope one day in the future EvEonline will be a complete Sci Fi game where players have a choice of where and what they do , either in a space ship , in a station envirement or on a planet ,
WIS got off on a bad start but CCP recovered from that little fiasco, i do have hopes for dust and hoping they will open it for pc users aswell in the future

So yes i believe in a future for WIS and it will be epic , and i hope i will be there when WIS is finally there and working

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#525 - 2012-12-10 10:20:43 UTC
I fully agree with you, pussnheels. WiS could add lot more to the Eve, especially if it included extravehicular activities, combat (armed and unarmed), espionage skills and so on. It wouldn't matter to me if all these weren't in at the start, as long as they did get included at some point, as they each could open opportunities for fun, for RP and for making ISK.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#526 - 2012-12-10 14:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I noticed that there is a item in the "special edition items" section on the market that says that it "opens the door in the captains quarters"... If this is a joke, i am not amused Sad

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#527 - 2012-12-10 15:08:53 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
I fully agree with you, pussnheels. WiS could add lot more to the Eve, especially if it included extravehicular activities, combat (armed and unarmed), espionage skills and so on. It wouldn't matter to me if all these weren't in at the start, as long as they did get included at some point, as they each could open opportunities for fun, for RP and for making ISK.

That's kind of my issue.

I expected CQ to be the START of incarna, but it turned out to be the end.
Which in turn results in "WiS sucks". OF COURSE IT DOES, it isn't anything.

CQ is NOT WiS. It was suppsoed to be the "doorway" to bigger things.
If they had been iterating on it like they said they would, people wouldn't be bitching about a useless room and time spent developing stuff that adds nothing to the game.

We'd be walking around a station by now, and probably have some kind of gameplay involved. Like owning shops on a station, corporate offices, maybe even the ability to shoot one another.

Stop spending lots of time and resources making useless stuff did not mean that the majority of the community wanted them to stop at CQ. We just didn't see the value in a a year and halfs worth of development, to only get a couple of CQ's.

The community did not say STOP working on CQ, we said to just stop ignoring FiS for long periods of time for nothing.


CCP went from one extreme to the other, instead of finding a middle ground.
But that's been kind of my impression of the way CCP does things after 7 years. That and lots of great ideas that never materialize.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2012-12-10 16:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Stop spending lots of time and resources making useless stuff did not mean that the majority of the community wanted them to stop at CQ. We just didn't see the value in a a year and halfs worth of development, to only get a couple of CQ's

year and half of full-speed development probably, but Incarna was on development stages for far longer (probably 3x as much)

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Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#529 - 2012-12-10 17:06:43 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Mix fealing, if done correctly, WiS could be a good addiction to EvE/Dusk. But on the other hand, incarna fiasco almost killed EvE...



I was shooting stations then to protest Greed is good. not WIS themselves. I think alot f others did too
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#530 - 2012-12-10 17:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiram Alexander
Rek Seven wrote:
I noticed that there is a item in the "special edition items" section on the market that says that it "opens the door in the captains quarters"... If this is a joke, i am not amused Sad

Yes, as far as I can tell, it's a joke... The blueprint to make the item has some hilarious/ridiculous ingredients, including the infamous 'Villard Wheel' - which doesn't actually exist (in case anyone reading this is new...)
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#531 - 2012-12-10 17:18:22 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Stop spending lots of time and resources making useless stuff did not mean that the majority of the community wanted them to stop at CQ. We just didn't see the value in a a year and halfs worth of development, to only get a couple of CQ's

year and half of full-speed development probably, but Incarna was on development stages for far longer (probably 3x as much)

Yes,
It was about the length of time we went without an expansion that touched space though, not really them working on. Then, when it as released, it didn't do anything.

They've been working on this for almost as long as EVE has been running; which is what I find so dissapointing about it being shelved.

Prior to the start of incarna development, it was basically the same thing Team Avatar was doing with the exploration prototype. Some people were working on the stuff to make WiS feasible to develop, while others continued to put out FiS expansions. Then the FiS development just kind of stopped, for nothing.

I personally think that shelving the whole WiS thing is as wrong as it was for them to ignore FiS to develop a couple of CQ's. It wasn't an "idea", they fully intended to expand the game in that direction, they gave us the doorway, and then said nevermind.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#532 - 2012-12-10 17:21:44 UTC
Mathrin wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Mix fealing, if done correctly, WiS could be a good addiction to EvE/Dusk. But on the other hand, incarna fiasco almost killed EvE...



I was shooting stations then to protest Greed is good. not WIS themselves. I think alot f others did too

Yup.

WiS managed to get lumped in with that, even though the featrue itself wasn't the problem.
I don't know anyone that, at the time, wasn't looking forward to being able to walk around station.

Greed is good, not doing anything with FiS while doing the CQ, and then only releasing a CQ which wasn't even finished, was the problem; not WiS.

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#533 - 2012-12-10 17:22:45 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I personally think that shelving the whole WiS thing is as wrong as it was for them to ignore FiS to develop a couple of CQ's. It wasn't an "idea", they fully intended to expand the game in that direction, they gave us the doorway, and then said nevermind.


I'm hoping that what they actually meant was, "this will be more palatable after we've fixed all the ships and some longstanding everyday issues, and easier to implement after we rip out the creaky mission/AI and station/POS code."

You don't build shiny new buildings on old, crumbling foundations. The all-hands-on-deck cleanup they're doing now should make future expansions much easier.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#534 - 2012-12-10 17:29:19 UTC
Or they just realized that there is a lot of people in the game playing with PC from 90's and beginning of 2000's
so it will be hard to make a game With 50K people in the same CQ

It would be awesome to walk in Jita station to buy things ( like in SWTOR ...)

maybe one day Who knows

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Jonas Xiamon
#535 - 2012-12-10 17:45:09 UTC
I am very disappointed in each and every one of you.

I'm going to unsub now, dissatisfied with the crushed dreams of stations to walk in.

I'll likely resub one day to enjoy the game that eve is instead of the game I want it to be.

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-12-10 17:50:54 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I personally think that shelving the whole WiS thing is as wrong as it was for them to ignore FiS to develop a couple of CQ's. It wasn't an "idea", they fully intended to expand the game in that direction, they gave us the doorway, and then said nevermind.


I'm hoping that what they actually meant was, "this will be more palatable after we've fixed all the ships and some longstanding everyday issues, and easier to implement after we rip out the creaky mission/AI and station/POS code."

You don't build shiny new buildings on old, crumbling foundations. The all-hands-on-deck cleanup they're doing now should make future expansions much easier.

No,

I meant it as, They're working on two other games instead of finishing the content they promised we'd see in EVE. Because of that they don't have the resources to work on expanding EVE beyond spaceships.

As much as I'm looking forward to dust, and WoD, I would have liked it more if some of those resources had ben reserved to finishing something that was started in the game I'm already playing.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#537 - 2012-12-10 17:52:45 UTC
Jonas Xiamon wrote:
I am very disappointed in each and every one of you.

I'm going to unsub now, dissatisfied with the crushed dreams of stations to walk in.

I'll likely resub one day to enjoy the game that eve is instead of the game I want it to be.

And then there are those of us who play EVE because of what CCP intends it to be.

FiS isn't the entirety of what CCP envisions for EVE.
WiS isn't something they thought of a couple of years ago, it's something they've been working on almost as long as EVE has been live.

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Amarr Empire
#538 - 2012-12-11 08:13:32 UTC
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pussnheels
Viziam
#539 - 2012-12-11 08:50:32 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
I fully agree with you, pussnheels. WiS could add lot more to the Eve, especially if it included extravehicular activities, combat (armed and unarmed), espionage skills and so on. It wouldn't matter to me if all these weren't in at the start, as long as they did get included at some point, as they each could open opportunities for fun, for RP and for making ISK.

it should always be a choice and there should be no negative side if you decide never to leave your pod or never undock of course you will miss 3/4 of the game and no way you have any other income than station bound activities)
, there should be specific side things you can do in a station for making money , something new maybe PI like without making it to overpowering
something that requires effort skill and some brain power

aslong people have a choice i m happy with it

i can dream right

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Khaern Khorgan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#540 - 2012-12-11 10:22:16 UTC
I look forward to the future, with or without WiS.