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New Player Friendly : Require 15 Mil SP

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Choi Baedal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-10 13:38:52 UTC
So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP.

A year someone said.

Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp!

How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems.
Merouk Baas
#2 - 2012-12-10 13:42:31 UTC
Some people don't understand the meaning of the phrase.

This is more of a General Discussion forum topic, though; New Citizens Q/A is for asking newbie questions and getting answers.
Matthew97
#3 - 2012-12-10 13:44:30 UTC
Choi Baedal wrote:
So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP.

A year someone said.

Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp!

How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems.



See, you think you have a "great grasp" but I can assure you have only learned about 0.5% of eve.
Its very complex as you move along in almost everything, from fitting to skills and careers.

When they refer to new player friendly it would be more along the lines of someone who's never done what they offer I.E

A "New player Friendly" corp wouldn't mean a 1 day old character but someone whos never ever PVP'ed before.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#4 - 2012-12-10 13:45:43 UTC
It is all a matter of perspective. To some people, 15mil SP = new player. When you are in your first days that seems like a lot, I know. What you are looking for is corps that have no SP minimum at all. There are many of these available. Sometimes it just takes a little time to sort through the information overload to find one. This is a game where patience and doing your homework will serve you well.

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Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#5 - 2012-12-10 13:54:05 UTC
I agree with the OP. I do not think a corp that has a requirement for 15m skill points, should put "new player friendly". It's a contradiction.
Choi Baedal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-10 13:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Choi Baedal
Matthew97 wrote:
Choi Baedal wrote:
So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP.

A year someone said.

Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp!

How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems.



See, you think you have a "great grasp" but I can assure you have only learned about 0.5% of eve.
Its very complex as you move along in almost everything, from fitting to skills and careers.

When they refer to new player friendly it would be more along the lines of someone who's never done what they offer I.E

A "New player Friendly" corp wouldn't mean a 1 day old character but someone whos never ever PVP'ed before.


Ya I see a lot of confused people playing the game, but almost everything has instructions on it or a description. The only complex part left would be strategy or "fittings" and appropriate careers. However this is all on the internet as well. Though I don't think I even need that information as it seems pretty straight forward.

It's just a matter of getting 15 million (the one year wait) and making sure I can properly fit and use a Destroyer class ship.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2012-12-10 14:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
15 mil SP in a year? Maybe in a clean clone, 9 months with +3 implants which are default. My alt is just passing this mark and she can fly minnie frig/destroyer/cruiser/BS/BS hulls with T2 guns and mods and pretty high support skills for Minmatar ships and weapons.

If you train your skills to specialize 15 mil SP is not needed to fill your role well and probably above expectations. After all it is a player knowledge and experience that counts. Bigger ships/guns or expensive modules are meaningless when confronted with experience, that's why so many shiny missioner's ships ends up in lol killmails.

Decide what you want to do and check what skills you need to use proper ships/mods for it. Than train it and practice, practice, practice. Be that pvp, probing, mining - the more you as a player know the more valuable you will be. No corp worth a damn will deny your application if you can prove you know what you are doing in a field of what you claim being your area of expertise.

To be honest in-game corp finder is not very good with filtering what you are looking for. It's better to look into recruitment forum and reply to ads there or just post your own.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#8 - 2012-12-10 14:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Being "new player friendly" means exactly that and as such a 15 mil SP minimum doesn't mesh with that statement. It does make sense to have a minimum SP, partially for security reasons and partially because someone who's been playing for 1-3 months shows more commitment than "some random" with 5 days played, because in a good corp every new player means an investment of effort.

Do note that many good corporations have a "show me your war face" kind of approach, they may have an SP limit for the standard riffraff but if a fresh recruit shows tenacity and the right attitude that may open doors beyond his SP count.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2012-12-10 14:25:52 UTC
To me, a "new player" is someone in their first six months of playing the game. I agree with the OP.

To a new player, "new player" means someone like them Lol

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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-12-10 14:38:26 UTC
Any corporation that claims that it is new player friendly and requires a minimum amount of skill points isn't actually new player friendly. What to do? Ignore them, you wouldn't want to be a part of that corporation anyway. Happily, they were nice enough to point that out to you before you even bothered wasting time with them.

When looking for a corporation to join you need to be thinking about what it is you are looking for in a corporation. When "applying" for a corporation remember that while they are trying to determine if you are fit for them you should be trying to find out if they are a fit for you.

Who you wind up playing with in EVE Online will make a huge impact on how much you enjoy the game. Think about it: These are the people with whom you will be spending a significant amount of -your- own personal free time with. You are making that choice. These people will, if it works out well, become friends for life.

Therefore, when looking for a corporation, especially as a new player take the time to figure out the culture of the corp and their ideology. Ignore any 'skill point' requirement. Most players in EVE realize that skill points are only a small part of the story of a player. At the end of the day it is the player that matters. The skill points... they really don't matter too much. Worst case scenario a player can buy a character with the required skill points in the advent that something happens that -requires- a minimum amount of skill points (like flying a capital ship.)

Anyway, my advice: If a corporation really catches your attention for some reason (maybe their corp recruitment ad speaks to your heart) and that corp has a 'minimum skill point requirement' ignore it and apply anyway. Ask to talk to the corp recruiters. If you like them and they like you then they'll make an "exception."
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#11 - 2012-12-10 15:48:35 UTC
Yeah, I pretty much agree with the OP. "New Player Friendly" should mean they take in NEW players. Having a minimum SP requirement pretty much means they're looking for people with at least some experience which defeats the purpose.

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ZZ00 HoneyBadger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-12-10 15:51:25 UTC
OP I got the game 2 days ago and I already have 10 million, and I'm being very inefficient. It's pretty easy to figure out how to start banking ISK once you get into mining.

On another note, I can't wait until I get a retriever. Cool
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-10 15:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
ZZ00 HoneyBadger wrote:
OP I got the game 2 days ago and I already have 10 million, and I'm being very inefficient. It's pretty easy to figure out how to start banking ISK once you get into mining.


The OP was about skill points, not ISK. 10 million ISK in 2 days is certainly doable, 10 million skill points will take months.

p.s. Mining is not huge income, especially prior to getting a barge/exhumer
Jangri Casterly
FATAL Warfare
#14 - 2012-12-10 15:56:11 UTC
ZZ00 You might've confused skillpoints with ISK
Matalino
#15 - 2012-12-10 16:02:37 UTC
I would agree with the others: "New player friendly" and "15 million SP minimum" are contradictory. If you want to understand that contradiction, you will need to ask the people who posted it. If you are interested in joining a corp, try chatting with some of its members. Ultimately it is the human factor that matters most.
CCP Nadir
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2012-12-10 17:05:07 UTC
The stickied thread is a good place to start learning about your options for joining a Corp.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6310&find=unread
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2012-12-10 18:29:38 UTC
Choi Baedal wrote:
So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP.

A year someone said.

Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp!

How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems.

You should try to apply to corps even that have a limit. Better still, you should talk to their officers first to see if they are flexible on SP, as many are.
Nanatoa
#18 - 2012-12-10 19:18:09 UTC
If this is what gets your knickers in a twist you'll be in for a lot of twisted knickers!

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-10 19:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Choi Baedal wrote:
Matthew97 wrote:
Choi Baedal wrote:
So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP.

A year someone said.

Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp!

How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems.



See, you think you have a "great grasp" but I can assure you have only learned about 0.5% of eve.
Its very complex as you move along in almost everything, from fitting to skills and careers.

When they refer to new player friendly it would be more along the lines of someone who's never done what they offer I.E

A "New player Friendly" corp wouldn't mean a 1 day old character but someone whos never ever PVP'ed before.


Ya I see a lot of confused people playing the game, but almost everything has instructions on it or a description. The only complex part left would be strategy or "fittings" and appropriate careers. However this is all on the internet as well. Though I don't think I even need that information as it seems pretty straight forward.

It's just a matter of getting 15 million (the one year wait) and making sure I can properly fit and use a Destroyer class ship.


Really..

3 days and saying you know everything about this game...
3 days and saying you don't need the guides...

You are:

1.) Stupid
2.) Ignorant
3.) One of those WoW kids
4.) Any combination of the above.
5.) A troll, and pretty good at it cause of the people taking the bait.

There is no way to learn the game in 3 days...Let along getting the grasp at anything thrown at you...If you think you can, please let us test you in a convo where you ahve about 30 sec to reply...see how much of the basic stuff you know...

EDIT:

15mil SP = less then 6 months with a good remap + implants + dedicated training.

And if you think that meeting SP qualifies you for a corp...guess again. Your attitude matters much more then any amount of SP, a corp will ALWAYS choose someone with less SP but right attitude over someone with more SP and your attitude...So Good luck with finding a corp...

My corp is NP friendly without SP limit...But I judge people on other qualities (like attitude) and you just failed big time there...There is more to the game then SP and ISK but I guess you already knew that all cuase after 3 days you don't need any guide to help you cause you already knew everything about the game....

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#20 - 2012-12-10 19:25:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
15mil SP = less then 6 months...



Still doesn't equal a "new player" in my book, though.

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