Player Features and Ideas Discussion

but who want the higsec carebears to come to low ecxept them to grind a bit more isk and improve their isk/hour ratio?

to me, this whole topic is about carebears, who are whining because they cannot teamup to go live in low, then ask for it to be secured so they can get more interesting loot

as i said, there are many ways to grab this loot for a pure pve player, but you just don't want thoses ways.

1- you don't want to change your pimp officer 200B isk+ pve machariel
2- you don't want to team up to secure your own area
3- you don't want to have social interaction with the local ppl for a blue status

dude, this whole game is about adapting the fits, team work and interaction between pilots in a persisent world.

you can avoid those in high, but thats all


the answer is easy.

no compromise at all.

and the reason is easy, and it is NOT related to the PVE pilots, but to the mechanics change it would brought in to lowsec.

i honestly would enjoy to see more potential targets i low, but not at the price of modifying actual mechanics because this would make more difficult to secure the region you live in, because potential grieffers / attackers would also be able to take advantage of those new mechanics, making our lowsec PVE / miner pilots less safe.

we secured as much as possible our home, to allow our non-pvp pilots to get a better incomes than in highsec, this comes at a price, many fights, losses etc... and time, lot of time.

we put efforts, all of us, in this, and this is no question to see other ppl enjoy the result of our work, unless they do the same and kick us out.

plus it's not like we were running out of target in my home, and they are a bit more interesting than PVE pilots (still fun to wreck some sometimes, easy in 99%, but no real challenge let's be honnest).

the lowsec is a PVP area, and group PVE stuff to keep you occupied when you have no target, which sometime happen.

the important thing is group, teamwork

to be in lowsec permanently, you need to team up, and this is intended by CCP, to have pilots interacting in social way, and work together to achieve the greater goal

not because of the PVE itself, but because of the envirronment

and for the sig with gates, for god, dscan anyone
it's the 2nd most important tool after local to know what is around you, and at wich distance.

someone who get ganked on a sig with gates deserved it.
even more for a mission because the ganker HAVE to scan you down with COMBAT probe, then you see it when he's near the gate cause he decloak (while for a sig, he could have registred it earlier).

this gives you, even whith the best hunter, at least 30 sec (in fact, many more time), to align / warp to a safespot

if you get ganked that way, well you are not ready for lowsec, so either you have brought a ship you can replace easy, then you are a wise man who accept he might not know everything, and you learned something, then consider this an investment.
or you lost a several B officier pimp fit, well, you might have read the little dialog box that showed up when you entered in lowsec

Actually the equation is quite simple, PvE *always* pays with patience. PvP requires patience, skill, and a bit of luck to pay. In EvE, PvP is specifically set up to be a negative sum game, a group cannot profit purely from PvP if they do not interact with someone engaged in some sort of PvE activity.

PvP is more exciting, and can be quite a lot of fun, but in the end someone always pays for it.
PvE is profitable.

i think you miss the point of WHY lowsec ppl gank the PVE players (and not only them, in fact everyone that cross our path, this is not targeted to pve players).

it's not for money or great kills, it might happen as a side effect, which is always great, but it is not the main purpose of it.

the main purpose is to prevent non-blue to feel comfortable in the area to avoid new ppl, wich are seen as potential future threat, to settle in the area.

another effect is that it prevents valuable sig to be rushed by grindy unknown pve player to run some DED that some of our pilot rely on to found themselves.

this is, in fact, like holding a sov. (somehow), so we strike them right as they enterr the area, or put enought tracking pressure on them to make them feel they are not welcome here, at least as neuts.

some smart ones will request a blue status, and some are now living around, and even some end up joining corps, and guess what? they enjoy it.

i'm presonnaly completely satisfied the way lowsec works actually

it's proactive defense, wich allow to use our toons to do PVE, industrial etc... safely, in an area that pays more than higsec

@nikon56: Fair enough, that pretty well reflects my own lowsec experience.

The short answer to "how do we get more people into lowsec?" is the same as the nullsec sovereignty issues: make a higher population density in the space desirable for everyone involved.

As long as there is an incentive to keep the population down, people will do what they can to make it so.

Low sec is not step stone between null and high. It is its own place. The rest of the ideas just make me shake my head. I don't even fly battleships and I am still shaking my head at this terrible concept for low sec space.

The solution is to break low sec and make it easier for carebears, gimp the pvprs to what you consider a reasonable level and go on from there.

Low sec is very diverse with its own types of engagements, its own rules and its own situations to understand and overcome. From frigates to super capitals they all die in low sec space and that is good.

Eve is not about restrictions. You want to assign a massive layer of restrictive clauses onto PvP players hoping that naturally risk averse people might decide to suddenly take actual risks after you have hobbled the PvPrs and asked them to attack with cuddles and hugs?

If people are not going to accept risk now they are not going to accept risk later.