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[INVESTORS] Very complex and useful Alliance management Website Need 100B ISK

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Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-10 05:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Current Investors:



Hi everyone,

I've been creating Websites in Eve now for a couple months for clients, and I've made quite a bit of money, and cool little sites. I really enjoy creating websites, and eve online, and I love that I can practice my development skills, and make some ISK at the same time.

Unfortunately, I feel like I could be doing a funner project rather than Lottos, ratting tracking, and random tools. I'd like to create an alliance website with the following features:

Shows % of Alliances in Eve using this Tool
Allow Alliance leaders to form Coalitions
Coalition management and voting system
Coalition Alliance contribution tracker (Tracks alliance contribution based on several areas of data)
Alliance leaders can list main Hubs
Alliance members can request shipments to hubs by playing buy order at hub for X% above Jita price.
Transport and Industry players will have access to Hub requests, and sales data at alliance Hubs.
Player Rep system based on corp contributions (based on several areas of data)
Simple to use fitting tool based on your characters skill points, implants, and stars
Alliance and Corp leaders can add Doctrine fits to Fittings area .
Doctrine fits will tell the players what they need to train (if any) in order to fly fit
Killboards
Fitting area will show most and least successful fittings from killboards (this way players who just want to see a basic fit, can pull the fit up quickly)
Simulation ship battles between two players or against the computer using Fittings tool
Lottery - Public, but alliances can create private lottos which will appear on Alliance home.
21 (the Card game)
Arena (Players can use simulation and fittings to battle their friends and win bets)
Ratting Tool - Shows ratting data for corp/alliance/player
Lists all characters assets with their estimated market value
Calculates player net worth based on wallet balance, and market value of all assets
Calculated player worth on Character Sales based on SP and some other data
An area where players can easily sell their characters (character bazaar, but better)
Custom Community Forums (for alliance, and corp)
Will Announce when POS needs fuel
The ability to add multiple accounts to a single user.
Will display all character on the account, all current industry jobs, empty industry jobs, and skill que
Will display character activity times for entire corp / alliance. (it won't be perfect, but it will check things like wallet, assets, and

Basicly, I want this website to do absolutely everything-- but better, and I want it all to work from one API, I want a simple, clean, fast to load design, with fun stats, useful information, and great community building tools.

How I plan for myself, and investors to make money off this website

1. Allow alliances to have their own domain, and website separated from the community website -- Charge monthly for this service
2. ALLIANCE Advertising -- Alliances can pay to advertise their services, recruitment, etc
3. Sell Time Codes
4. Micro Lotto, and Games area
5. [Personal reward] A chance to build my portfolio, and change the entire way Eve Online is played and communities are formed.

What Investors can invest :
1. Your Alliance API and Time (for experimentation) All alliance API's will be kept confidential. I've made quite a few websites that depend on API's, and I have never leaked data.
2. ISK. My goal for this website is 100B ISK. If it is a success, and completed(which will take about 6 months), it will be the biggest and best EVE website. Donators will recieve a 1% stake in the project for each billion ISK they donate. When the website goes life, that same % of profits will go to the investor. In addition, the investor's alliance will have free access to the tool for life.
3. Tell your friends. At this stage in my life (16 years old, living in China, too much free time), creating this website is my dream. It will be my opportunity to have an impact on Eve Online, and build a strong portfolio that will one day land me a dream job as a developer.

Note: There will be a tool in the website that allows investors to sell, and trade their stock.

Thanks for reading everyone

Here is a link to my forum thread advertising my business with some websites I've created in the past.

SoulCreative
Zoltan Lazar
#2 - 2012-12-10 05:41:36 UTC
Very cool idea!

Only thing- how does isk help you build a website?
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-10 05:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Very cool idea!

Only thing- how does isk help you build a website?


It doesn't. I currently make ISK building small, low profile websites.

100B ISK will basicly allow me to take the next 6 months of my life off building small websites, and build one amazing website. Additionally, having a group of investors manage the website will allow me, after I finish the website, to have time to work on new projects without having micro manage such a large website.

I want to create the website, build my portfolio, and move on. I don't plan to make any personal profits from it, my business is development, not management Blink

That's not to say I won't do updates, and continue to better it after completion, I just won't be the person managing donations, and news, and other player submitted content and assets.

SoulCreative
Craggus
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-12-10 06:29:33 UTC
While I can see how the isk will allow you take time off of other things, how did you arrive at the 100B mark?
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-10 07:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Craggus wrote:
While I can see how the isk will allow you take time off of other things, how did you arrive at the 100B mark?


Each website I make I charge 10-20b ISK. Each takes a week. I calculate at that rate, assuming I make 10b isk per week, that's 40b ISK per month, or 240b isk over 6 months. I've established a good reputation of trust with my clients who must pay 50% of the fees up front. I also have good reviews. I didn't think asking over 100b would be asking too much more than I already have proved capable of in terms of trust. Additionally, I didn't think anyone would be willing to offer much more than 100b.

It's true that, with this logic, I'm doing this project at a loss, but I am willing to take that loss because I will have the opportunity to work on something I'm proud of, and I'll also have the opportunity to create such a powerful, and popular website, that I can get more work as a result.

Somer from Blink Lottos has had several job offers as a result of her Blink website. My dream is Web Development, but I have no way to show my skills other than to create a portfolio. Creating this project will help me do just that.

SoulCreative
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
Reliance.
#6 - 2012-12-10 08:15:14 UTC
You list several things and ways people can help you do this, but no reason they should.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-10 08:37:09 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
You list several things and ways people can help you do this, but no reason they should.


I'm asking for an investment.

The purpose of investing, in this case, is to make money.

SoulCreative
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
Reliance.
#8 - 2012-12-10 08:48:40 UTC
There's no repayment schedule or plan. Just "I will charge for this, and that will make money. There will be a lotto area too. People do that to make money, right?"

Market Discussion is typically the better venue for weirdly abstract or roleplay investment requests.

Not hating, just trying to help you with finding the framework you need.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-10 09:34:13 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
There's no repayment schedule or plan. Just "I will charge for this, and that will make money. There will be a lotto area too. People do that to make money, right?"

Market Discussion is typically the better venue for weirdly abstract or roleplay investment requests.

Not hating, just trying to help you with finding the framework you need.


There is no repayment plan because I'm selling an investment that will be rewarded in the form of monthly returns, and part ownership of the website being created. Each Billion invested = 1% owner ship, and 1% of all profits the website makes.

SoulCreative
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#10 - 2012-12-10 10:05:56 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:

Somer from Blink Lottos has had several job offers as a result of her Blink website. My dream is Web Development, but I have no way to show my skills other than to create a portfolio. Creating this project will help me do just that.


That part is true, well I do not know about somer, but I do know she is now part of ccp, if I remember correctly when I was playing a year ago (only back in the game the last month) I do not remember her being a part of let alone endorsed by CCP.

Also I used to (and still do occasionally) play valve games, mainly gmod, and CSS, my friend many of you who may have heard of, tophatWAFFLE, was known (even at his age of about 16-18) for making maps, and mods. mostly css, gmod, and the hl2 engine, his name is on a lot of valve project, although I am not sure if he is working with them now, just Google his name.

its been a while, but he was in out clan back a while ago., good guy, BUT eve is another thing entirely lol



jailed hackers that used to hack and got busted, some work for security companies like Norton etc.

what's to say your not actually headed to BBB as a scam artist specialist, lol jk


although as you said im not sure how many websites you have actually made, or what software you use, adobe, or not

BUT if you make that kind of isk per week, btw designing websites with any real function other than copy paste themes from online sites, can take months of proprietary design and programming.

especially when trying to incorporate things like API's and the like.


that being said, even so if your websites are week long endeavors and they are good enough for peeps to want to buy and you are making 10-20 bil a week


I see really no loss in your profits per say, as the "capital" you need is or should be in your wallet already, then if you keep the profits for your self, or share with any CO_WORKERS, then the projected profit should make up for lost time, essentially.


now if this was something like say a building project in game that took a lot of isk, and you didn't have it all, well then I can see you wanting to offer people an IPO, for a percentage,



HOWEVER, you mention you want to raise capital of 100 bil, each bil is worth 1% or 1 share of 100, or if your corp only has 1000, they get say 10 shares.

now, how much of that 100 bil is out of your pocket?

BECAUSE, if 100 people contribute 1 bil each, then you will not get ANY money from it, as all profit is returned, so you need to maintain a "share" in the business site of yours?


if you ever watch shows like shark tank, you will see that after a valuation is made on the company (in this case this new website) the investors ask for a % based on that and then get that % of share based on the % worth per share on the total valuation.


in some instances they offer a certain money for 100% stake in the company, and buy them out, or give them a job for a min of say 2-5 years


in this instance you are asking for us to "fund" this but we as the share holders will have all the profit and you would not make anything, UNLESS you would be skiming off the top


so we would need to know how much YOU plan to make with this, and then the remainder is given to us the shareholders / investors,


ideally you would keep at least 51% of the profits, then that would mean you could only ask for 49 bil.


you should, if you are serious, and actually want this to succeed.


write up a DETAILED business plan, complete with projected costs, of the services you plan to offer, projected income, ie how many people say they would by into this etc.


if you need help with the politics side like this stuff look around, im sure someone would be willing to split ownership with you.

etc,


advanced sites like these actually can take some time, I do think that being 16 you MAY have some more free time than some of us, BUT you still have school and homework etc.

IXD
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-10 10:13:04 UTC
Hi,

Thanks for the long response.

Yes, in a corporate world, investing 100b into a business, and gaining 100% ownership would mean you invested 100b into yourself.

In this case though, the 100b is being invested to pay for development. I'm the developer. It's you're business, and you do have 100% of it, but unless you would like to keep the business yourself, and not have a developer, I don't see the point.

This is assuming someone made the site.

It is true that I do have enough money in EVE that I could play for a long time without needing more, but I don't collect money with the purpose of spending it. I collect it just for fun, and though creating a massive project that takes 6 months is fun, it's even funner when you get a nice chunk of money in exchange.

Perhaps you can look at it this way.

Hire me to make what I'm offering. Does that make it more clear? P

SoulCreative
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#12 - 2012-12-10 10:22:44 UTC
OH and I forgot, somethings that you mention MAY or are not, and may never be..

capable from the API system


ALSO simulation, I am actually going to college for Computer Animation and simulation, (full sail university)

You say you are a website designer and while you may be able to incorporate things like this into the website, who is going to program and run you simulations etc

if you want to have at least a fairly accurate out come from these "fitting battles"

you will need a few things ONE:
if on a server, one with good specs to simulate

past info, need LOTS LOTS LOTS of data you can probably use things like kill bored info to show who fought who and won, and what both of there ships and fittings were perhaps also taking into account their skills as well (eve bored etc)

that is something that If using real world data ie from the game, would have to find a way to input those spec into the software

then have the simulator run not just one occasion but 100's to 1000's of battles with those two particular ships with those fittings to see who would MOST LIKELY win in an actual battle online in eve.



make things more complicated by adding fleets lol, so I bet this is best left to one on one, if you want this to take a few years less than a decade lol


simulations can take a long time to calculate, using my computer (32GB ram, dual 6 core 3.8ghZ AMD cpu's OC'd and water cooled, and 2 2GB NVidia GeForce GTX 680 ) I know not cheap, but just coming out of the navy, I decided to get a render box I could use for a little while lol)

anyways simulations are nothing more than calculations of individual aspects, in cases of fluid, each droplet is represented by a particle, (the more particles the more realistic, BUT the longer it takes)

in this case it would most likely be like series of greater than or less than calculations, using the fitting, and of all the fittings on the ship by using the data of the fitting from the game, and past fight out comes, you could say that fitting a is better than fitting b

so if someone has a warp scrambler that has a scramble of 2 and someone has a warp stabilizer that negates that , they it would cancel it out, however if the did NOT have a stabilizer then that would give that person a point.

the next calc would be damage defense etc,


using some other factors that im not really looking into it could be who ever has the most points won, or running a cal 100 or 1000 times and who ever won the most is the winner, etc etc.



well its 5:21 am here so im off lol


hope this helps, not trying to mess up your dreams,

just trying not to let you get overwhelmed when you begin under different pretenses. 
IXD
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#13 - 2012-12-10 10:27:42 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the long response.

Yes, in a corporate world, investing 100b into a business, and gaining 100% ownership would mean you invested 100b into yourself.

In this case though, the 100b is being invested to pay for development. I'm the developer. It's you're business, and you do have 100% of it, but unless you would like to keep the business yourself, and not have a developer, I don't see the point.

This is assuming someone made the site.

It is true that I do have enough money in EVE that I could play for a long time without needing more, but I don't collect money with the purpose of spending it. I collect it just for fun, and though creating a massive project that takes 6 months is fun, it's even funner when you get a nice chunk of money in exchange.

Perhaps you can look at it this way.

Hire me to make what I'm offering. Does that make it more clear? P



OK, so then when this project is completed, and the services it offers are being bought, then you are going to run the site, and not get any money?


how will you get paid, if all this 100b is doing is paying for you 6 months of NOT doing your normal stuff.

that's all im saying


you cant ask for money from people to make up for lost wages at work if you want to work on a business idea, lol, you just have to keep working, and then perhaps take a smidge longer to make the project,

I know its a little different here in eve than IRL, but I really don't see why you need us, it sounds like you want this to be the BIGGEST BEST WEBSITE IN ALL OF NEW EDEN, and if it is, you will make isk to END GAME proportions, so this 100 bil sacrifice is just something you need to do lol


sure I would love to be a part of it, but I just don't see the point, perhaps I would invest AFTER I saw it in action,


kind of like stock take a BIG risk for an IPO, or wait til the shares are traded, and still make some money just not as much and with not as much risk.... sorta
IXD
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-10 10:28:19 UTC
Indecisive Cid wrote:
OH and I forgot, somethings that you mention MAY or are not, and may never be..

capable from the API system


ALSO simulation, I am actually going to college for Computer Animation and simulation, (full sail university)

You say you are a website designer and while you may be able to incorporate things like this into the website, who is going to program and run you simulations etc

if you want to have at least a fairly accurate out come from these "fitting battles"

you will need a few things ONE:
if on a server, one with good specs to simulate

past info, need LOTS LOTS LOTS of data you can probably use things like kill bored info to show who fought who and won, and what both of there ships and fittings were perhaps also taking into account their skills as well (eve bored etc)

that is something that If using real world data ie from the game, would have to find a way to input those spec into the software

then have the simulator run not just one occasion but 100's to 1000's of battles with those two particular ships with those fittings to see who would MOST LIKELY win in an actual battle online in eve.



make things more complicated by adding fleets lol, so I bet this is best left to one on one, if you want this to take a few years less than a decade lol


simulations can take a long time to calculate, using my computer (32GB ram, dual 6 core 3.8ghZ AMD cpu's OC'd and water cooled, and 2 2GB NVidia GeForce GTX 680 ) I know not cheap, but just coming out of the navy, I decided to get a render box I could use for a little while lol)

anyways simulations are nothing more than calculations of individual aspects, in cases of fluid, each droplet is represented by a particle, (the more particles the more realistic, BUT the longer it takes)

in this case it would most likely be like series of greater than or less than calculations, using the fitting, and of all the fittings on the ship by using the data of the fitting from the game, and past fight out comes, you could say that fitting a is better than fitting b

so if someone has a warp scrambler that has a scramble of 2 and someone has a warp stabilizer that negates that , they it would cancel it out, however if the did NOT have a stabilizer then that would give that person a point.

the next calc would be damage defense etc,


using some other factors that im not really looking into it could be who ever has the most points won, or running a cal 100 or 1000 times and who ever won the most is the winner, etc etc.



well its 5:21 am here so im off lol


hope this helps, not trying to mess up your dreams,

just trying not to let you get overwhelmed when you begin under different pretenses.



Thanks for the guide on how to write the simulation, but I have my own ideas. I know my limitations and the limitations eve and the api provide. In my experience making websites, I've looked through all the API documentation several times over. and dug through the massive data dumps that EVE puts out-- so I can make an educated, professional guess on what I can do,

Thanks again though for the advice.

SoulCreative
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#15 - 2012-12-10 10:29:19 UTC
fyi I am not asking to be apart of it by helping designing the simulations part, I have plenty on my plate as it is, just saying and trying to point u in the right direction



IXD
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-10 10:30:02 UTC
Indecisive Cid wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the long response.

Yes, in a corporate world, investing 100b into a business, and gaining 100% ownership would mean you invested 100b into yourself.

In this case though, the 100b is being invested to pay for development. I'm the developer. It's you're business, and you do have 100% of it, but unless you would like to keep the business yourself, and not have a developer, I don't see the point.

This is assuming someone made the site.

It is true that I do have enough money in EVE that I could play for a long time without needing more, but I don't collect money with the purpose of spending it. I collect it just for fun, and though creating a massive project that takes 6 months is fun, it's even funner when you get a nice chunk of money in exchange.

Perhaps you can look at it this way.

Hire me to make what I'm offering. Does that make it more clear? P



OK, so then when this project is completed, and the services it offers are being bought, then you are going to run the site, and not get any money?


how will you get paid, if all this 100b is doing is paying for you 6 months of NOT doing your normal stuff.

that's all im saying


you cant ask for money from people to make up for lost wages at work if you want to work on a business idea, lol, you just have to keep working, and then perhaps take a smidge longer to make the project,

I know its a little different here in eve than IRL, but I really don't see why you need us, it sounds like you want this to be the BIGGEST BEST WEBSITE IN ALL OF NEW EDEN, and if it is, you will make isk to END GAME proportions, so this 100 bil sacrifice is just something you need to do lol


sure I would love to be a part of it, but I just don't see the point, perhaps I would invest AFTER I saw it in action,


kind of like stock take a BIG risk for an IPO, or wait til the shares are traded, and still make some money just not as much and with not as much risk.... sorta


I don't plan to "run the site and not get any money". I think I mentioned that I will hand off management to the owners upon completion. It will have a full admin area where the entire site can be managed. If they would like updates, though, they can ask me, and I will do the updates for a fee.

SoulCreative
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#17 - 2012-12-10 11:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Indecisive Cid
nvm
IXD
Somerset Mahm
Cognitive Distortion
#18 - 2012-12-11 01:55:49 UTC
Indecisive Cid wrote:

That part is true, well I do not know about somer, but I do know she is now part of ccp, if I remember correctly when I was playing a year ago (only back in the game the last month) I do not remember her being a part of let alone endorsed by CCP.


I do not work for CCP nor is Blink endorsed or funded by them.

That's all, carry on Cool

SOMER Blink Microlotteries that finish in minutes! Running for over 2 years :)
Indecisive Cid
Splash Inc.
#19 - 2012-12-11 03:44:00 UTC
Somerset Mahm wrote:
Indecisive Cid wrote:

That part is true, well I do not know about somer, but I do know she is now part of ccp, if I remember correctly when I was playing a year ago (only back in the game the last month) I do not remember her being a part of let alone endorsed by CCP.


I do not work for CCP nor is Blink endorsed or funded by them.

That's all, carry on Cool



OK ok, fine


BUT:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74029


close enough lol
IXD
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-11 11:52:09 UTC
why dont you just make the website and sell it for 100b?
what kind of motivation can we expect from you to finish your job or pay out the profits, after you have recieved the 100b?
If your answer to this contains "gave my word", "reputation", "I promiz!" or "trust", would you mind investing 100b in me to get myself a rag and go ratting for a half year? After the 6 month I`ll give you the rag back and you can make tons of isk with it, deal?

shar'ra phone home
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