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Ealric Sorden
BVS FabriTech
#21 - 2012-12-08 08:21:43 UTC
The full room aggro appears to be a completely unintended consequence of the AI changes. It actually doesn't bother me except for the missions where you're sensor damped 6x or more at once. Annoying, but still doable even then, at least in some setups. Still, I'm pretty sure we'll see this "change" be fixed. The question is how long.

As for drone boats, I'm still doing fine solo'ing with mine (Dominix) in L4's solo. I think the AI still needs some work and some changes for balance, but the missions are easily doable for me. I'm just T2 fitted with good drone skills - no faction modules or ships. I've lost one T2 light drone (my own fault, it was mostly dead when I sent it out since I forgot to repair) in about 15 missions. Those missions included Vengeance, Blockade, Angel Extravaganza, etc - plenty of full aggro on warp in, too.

I'm just not having all the problems others seem to be. And I'm certainly nothing special - more a casual player than anything else.
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-12-08 19:40:12 UTC
So, what have happened? Did they just make all NPCs aggro? I've always just pulled full room aggro.
Zwo Zateki
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-09 14:40:31 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Sandy Claws wrote:
Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.

In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.

Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....

Really bad change this is.

If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. As soon as the reps land ALL agro switches to the logi and they go pop. It is not possible to tank a logi enough to survive and rep in any mission where they are actually needed. only option now is to spider tank BS's. Logi are useless now in missions. it makes no sense as this A.I. is supposed to be based on the same A.I. as sleepers and incursions, but you don't have this problem in incursions.

Actually, it's the same in incursions. Logis pull Sansha's aggro quite often. Ofc incursions are done w/ >1 logi but that's another thing.

And yes, there's zero sense in fleeting for missions. Fleets = incursions, high class WH; solo = missions, low class WH

http://cvmkr.com/R4JG
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-09 22:06:22 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .


Try it in a fleet with two logi.
Gabriel Santagalos
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-12-09 22:32:42 UTC
Josefine Etrange wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .


Try it in a fleet with two logi.



Why not with 10+ ships? Really...L4 missions shouldnt require a whole fleet, and for the most part still dont. Unless you get that "whole room aggro" bug in a mission where you cant avoid it by flying away and shooting from afar, like Vengeance level 4. And the NPC Ewar is patently ridicolous now.
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-09 22:37:12 UTC
Gabriel Santagalos wrote:
Josefine Etrange wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .


Try it in a fleet with two logi.



Why not with 10+ ships? Really...L4 missions shouldnt require a whole fleet, and for the most part still dont. Unless you get that "whole room aggro" bug in a mission where you cant avoid it by flying away and shooting from afar, like Vengeance level 4. And the NPC Ewar is patently ridicolous now.


L4 Missions doing in fleet was always an easy option for new players. It is still. Why a veteran would use a single logistic in a l4 is beyond me. It was before retribution dumb and it is still dumb.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-10 07:56:18 UTC
Is this real? o_o There are people playing EVE who are now complaining Level 4 missions are too hard? Hoooooly moly macaroly! This is insano x 10. You realize you are fighting AI in one of the easiest PvE games in the entire universe here right! Though judging by the fact that earlier today I read about someone using a Raven with 5 cruise launchers and two... rockets, I guess I cant be that surprised that you people are dying to robots :c

For all you super PvE turtles who want to be able to afk and do missions fast. Medium shield booster Tengu. You can get it cap stable if you want and you will never ever die while putting out over 700 DPS at what ever the new nerfed range is. It is literally impossible to die even if you are webbed. A medium shield booster Tengu can tank anything~ highsec will throw at you.

Now if you want some double fun, do them in a Ferox!

Ferox #1
Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#28 - 2012-12-10 08:14:42 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Is this real? o_o There are people playing EVE who are now complaining Level 4 missions are too hard? Hoooooly moly macaroly! This is insano x 10. You realize you are fighting AI in one of the easiest PvE games in the entire universe here right! Though judging by the fact that earlier today I read about someone using a Raven with 5 cruise launchers and two... rockets, I guess I cant be that surprised that you people are dying to robots :c

For all you super PvE turtles who want to be able to afk and do missions fast. Medium shield booster Tengu. You can get it cap stable if you want and you will never ever die while putting out over 700 DPS at what ever the new nerfed range is. It is literally impossible to die even if you are webbed. A medium shield booster Tengu can tank anything~ highsec will throw at you.

Now if you want some double fun, do them in a Ferox!


I'd like to see you pull this off with the full room insta aggro. You get webbed and scrammed and your nice, speed tanked, tengu goes bb.
Corben Arctus
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#29 - 2012-12-10 11:28:36 UTC
The problem is, I used L4 missions to finance my pvp (whenever there's no incursion fleet up or I'm too lazy/scared to go into my wormhole).

It was an easy thing you could do solo and make some isk when you had nothing better to do. L4 shouldn't require fleets, that's what L5s are for.

Please CCP, fix it already.

I know this must be real funny for you nullbears, you can go rat in belts or run anoms and make good isk/hour when you're bored or need money. But I don't live in null. I know, I'm weird. WEEEEIRD!
MEZZA Creire-Geng
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
Seventh Sanctum.
#30 - 2012-12-10 14:15:28 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
..... where noobs are A broke, and B not skilled enough. this is a war they just started, this is officially a new incarna, in my book an mmo that kills PvE is a dead mmo no matter how you design it, pve is a wealth generator so you can afford to pvp in null


i agree with this ^
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#31 - 2012-12-11 14:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Gabriel Santagalos wrote:
Josefine Etrange wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .


Try it in a fleet with two logi.



Why not with 10+ ships? Really...L4 missions shouldnt require a whole fleet, and for the most part still dont. Unless you get that "whole room aggro" bug in a mission where you cant avoid it by flying away and shooting from afar, like Vengeance level 4. And the NPC Ewar is patently ridicolous now.

I was talking about level 5 missions. You know, missions where logi is "NEEDED" There is no level 4 mission where you need a logi. You think level 4 missions have gotten tough with the changes. Try running a level 5. Used to do them with 2 BS's and a Logi, or a BS, BC, and a logi. Now the logi doesn't live long enough to rep anything.
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