EVE General Discussion

If you're going to go out bounty whoring, could you at least put on a paper bag. You're frigging ugly.

3. Trolling to try and get people to tie up money in a forum alt.

I'm almost certian you have a short somewhere if you think that is at all remotely what I was saying.


And i prefer lipstick, I'll have to put it on for you, don't think it's going to do much good on the front.

I really wish someone would quantify this.

I know it's tough because of all the possible variables, but if you had to tell someone who couldn't add how much to put on a particular ship, what would it be?

How much does it cost to blow up a retriever, or a T2 hauler?

when did I tell you you could come off the corner....

Now, a bounty wont cause it to get ganked, you just get bumped higher on the list if they see you.
I just drop a ship in a maintenance bay or some cargo and see what CCP thinks is the Est. price for the hull.
A Mack is 183m so lets say average 20% payout is base 36m, modules will only slightly increase this, how many catablasts does it take to kill a yield mack in.5?
In a herd of ships, it will make you the target of opportunity if you have 30+ bounty. But they were shopping for a target to begin with.

A hauler is moot as most would be scanning cargo. any bounty would just be icing.
Bling mission runners are also moot as you are a target for high value mods.
The ones that need to be most cautious of bounty are the repetitive stationary miners. Yet they would die regardless, tears and all you know.

Let's take a Providence freighter, for example (I have considered this because of my hauling alt). The payout on it would be:

0.2 x (Freighter Price + Loot destroyed price - Max freighter insurance), up to the full price of the bounty.

Let's suppose I had an infinite bounty, and the payout was always maximum. The price of a Providence is about 1.7 billion ISK, and I'm going to ballpark its insurance at 500 million ISK. This means that the payout for someone ganking my empty freighter is:

0.2 x (1700 mil - 500 mil) = 240 mil ISK

Can a Freighter be easily ganked by 240 mil ISK of ships? Well, that's the price of about 3 Tornados, which can at best alpha about 30-35k EHP put together. Considering the Freighter has almost 200k EHP, I should be safe. (Note: there may be better ships for ganking than Tornados, but I'm ballparking using them)

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What if I actually, you know, haul stuff? Well, then a new factor comes into the equation: my loot. 50% of that is expected to drop, and 50% is expected to be destroyed. So, our original equation changes. Their expected payout is:

0.2 x (1200 mil + 0.5 x Loot) + 0.5 x Loot = 240 mil + 0.6 x Loot

Looking at the original numbers for Tornado damage, you'd need about 16-17 Tornados to kill a Freighter in 1.0 space (as few as 8-9 elsewhere, since they may get multiple shots). I'm going to ballpark that to about 1.4 billion ISK worth of Tornados. So then you have a basic algebra equation:

240 mil + 0.6 x Loot > 1400 mil

Which resolves to:

Loot >1900 mil

Or 1.9 billion ISK of carried goods. That means that it is not profitable for gankers to gank a freighter carrying less than 1.9 billion ISK worth of stuff.

Repeat this process for any other ship to analyze the profitability for it being ganked in hisec.

Ed: Before the bounty system, the equation was simply:
0.5 x Loot > 1400 mil

Which meant that instead of 1.9 billion ISK being the highest safe value, it was 2.8 billion ISK. You can safely carry 900 mil ISK less stuff in your freighter if you have a large enough bounty on your head.

Just wait until CCP introduces 'double bounties'.

Then, the thread title will be "Double Bounty - what does it mean!?" and we can all lol and life will be good.