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Ideal ships for L4's
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Jubilation Lee
Crab Night In The Crab Nebula
#1 - 2012-12-09 17:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jubilation Lee
I'm about to graduate to battleships, and i'm hearing mixed reports about caldari ship effectiveness, i'd like if you guys could help me decide on a ship.

i'm about to get a Raven or a Rokh, but i've heard good things about Maelstrom and Megathron.

if you happen to have good experiences and a fit that would be great!


edit** regarding the raven, i've read that cruise missiles and torpedos have recently received a big nerf, should i focus on something that relies less on launchers?
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-09 17:24:56 UTC
The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#3 - 2012-12-09 17:32:48 UTC
Jubilation Lee wrote:
i'm about to get a Raven or a Rokh, but i've heard good things about Maelstrom and Megathron.


Al of these are viable for starting out with BSs in L4 missions.

Later on, you'll want to switch to something better, either pirate faction (Machariel, Nightmare) or marauder (Vargur). Since training for a Maelstrom carries over when flying a Machariel or a Vargur ...
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-09 17:36:15 UTC
Rokh is terrible for PvE.
Since you are now about to get to the battleships, am I right to assume that you have been running missions in a Drake before?
Many new Caldari pilots lose their first Raven, since they expect it to tank like a Drake.
It does not.
Don't be that guy.
As far as I know there is no passive Raven fitting that is at least halfways acceptable.
So make sure that your active tanking skills are at least somewhat decent before you undock your Raven.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Jubilation Lee
Crab Night In The Crab Nebula
#5 - 2012-12-09 17:41:23 UTC
thanks for the replies, and i'll keep in mind it's not a drake :)
Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-09 17:58:45 UTC
Battleships are fun. Most of us probably still remember the first time they undocked with their BS (and the first time it was popped...). Especially for new pilots I would recommend the Navy Scorpion as a mission ship for Level 4s. Granted, it is a tad pricier than the Raven (still a lot cheaper than the Navy Raven though), BUT it has a much stronger tank. A strong tank is a very good thing when learning level 4 missions.

Also, it is ALWAYS a very good idea to read up on the mission, know which hardeners to fit and what damage to bring. A decent Navy Scorp fit, including ship can be done for less then 500 mil (or a couple days of Level 4 missions...). I' ll be happy to answer your questions as I have flown both, CNR and Navy Scorp quite a bit.

Fly safe!

B.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-09 18:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Astroniomix wrote:
The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s.


Not true. While the direct 10% dmg nerf is only on hmls, it's the exp radius and velocity nerfs are what killed it, not the puny 10% dmg. In other words, no, in term of applied dmg, the nerf isn't limited to hml. Why they thought Rage torps need even larger exp radius than they had, I'll never know...

Save for a Mach. Winmatar wins, and will continue to do so until the current generation of devs at CCP dies of old age.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-09 18:44:38 UTC
I did several level 4 missions in my Navy Raven yesterday. The last mission I did was Sansha Blockade. I went with 2 rapid launchers and 5 cruise missile launchers. I did fine.

I do have a full drone bay of t1 hobgoblins, and use them very little when the rat frigates are present. I noticed that when rat frigates are gone, the light scout drones are very safe to use. It seems that rat cruisers and up don't pay any attention to them. The rat sentry guns and missile batteries might still engage your drones. I plan to try using medium scouts today and see if they will be ignored by the rat cruisers and larger rat ships.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#9 - 2012-12-09 21:57:57 UTC
Don't mix launchers
Postitute
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-09 22:10:56 UTC
It is still a few months away for you probably, but a torp golem is a lot more powerful now. I've only had time for a single mission but applied dmg is much higher now with the explosion radius skill now applying to torps.
Hae Sung
#11 - 2012-12-09 22:53:34 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
The only missile that got a nerf was the heavy missile. Everything else was either buffed or left alone. Raven with cruise missiles is still a solid ship for lvl4s.


Not true. While the direct 10% dmg nerf is only on hmls, it's the exp radius and velocity nerfs are what killed it, not the puny 10% dmg. In other words, no, in term of applied dmg, the nerf isn't limited to hml. Why they thought Rage torps need even larger exp radius than they had, I'll never know...

Save for a Mach. Winmatar wins, and will continue to do so until the current generation of devs at CCP dies of old age.



Rage torps got a larger explosion radius to compensate for guided missile precision now affecting them. It puts them right back where they started if you've trained GMP to V.

Now the difference is that rigs that reduce explosion radius will also work on the torps, further shrinking them. If the increase were not in place, it would have been a huge buff to torps instead of a moderate one.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-12-10 00:04:17 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-10 00:18:06 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.


The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them.
You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-10 00:27:45 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.


The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them.
You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead.

LOL
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
MrTiddle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-10 01:17:01 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.


The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them.
You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead.

LOL
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.



Nalha, said exactly what your statement stands for - Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!

Eat the BS's first otherwise your mission time is chancy.

Blink
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-12-10 01:41:01 UTC
MrTiddle wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.


The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them.
You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead.

LOL
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.



Nalha, said exactly what your statement stands for - Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!

Eat the BS's first otherwise your mission time is chancy.

Blink

There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.

If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#17 - 2012-12-10 01:44:14 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Don't mix launchers

How you deal with scram frigs is your choice.


The bottleneck in killing stuff in missions is not the frigs, its the battleships so you want to be able to apply as much damage as possible to them.
You can easily handle the frigs with small drones instead.

LOL
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

A full set of t2 lights will kill off the frigates in almost any mission at the very least as fast as you can kill the BSs, if not then your drone skills are very, very bad and should be upgraded ASAP.
As to the topic at hand, it depends on what you want to fly and where you run missions:
Nightmare for lasers and em/thermal rats
Dominix/navy dominix for drones/hybrids and kinetic/thermal rats
Vargur/macharial for autocannons and explosive rats
CNR/golem for missiles, and they work well against all rat types (but not as well as the respective turrets)
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#18 - 2012-12-10 01:46:36 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:

There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.

If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured.

Could you link your fit? When I run the assault I aggro the whole room on purpose, makes killing things faster, not sure why you're having a hard time.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-12-10 02:05:02 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:

There appears to be a bug in the missions. Some missions that used to have groups where you can agro one group at a time are now have full room agro. What it means is that instead of dealing with 4-6 bs rats, you are dealing with 12-16 bs rats. If you are scramed, you will simply die. I am doing one such mission, Serpentis The Assault. So I am using my rapid launchers to kill frigates. Just finished killing all the frigs that were there, I have a few cruisers and a bunch of bs rats left, they seem to ignore the medium scout drones.

If you use your drones to kill frigs, well... make sure your ship is insured.

Could you link your fit? When I run the assault I aggro the whole room on purpose, makes killing things faster, not sure why you're having a hard time.

To be fair, after I posted the above, I think I might have hit the triggers or something. I have been warping in and out, I should finish it soonish. It is not a big deal.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#20 - 2012-12-10 02:10:40 UTC
You should still probably link your fit, since it sounds bad and you would benefit from having some more experienced players help you fix it.
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