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CCP do you support permadecs?

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stabmag
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-09 17:03:16 UTC
CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent.

Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live.

So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever."
Nanatoa
#2 - 2012-12-09 17:05:42 UTC
Yes

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-09 17:13:25 UTC
Dec Shield thread detected.

I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual.

War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them.
stabmag
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-09 17:16:43 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Dec Shield thread detected.

I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual.

War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them.



obviously someone didn't read the thread. if you work for ccp please respond in the manner i requested. any thing else is just a speculation.

yes this is a dec shield thread.. obviously. but again all i am requesting is clarification from ccp not from other gamers who believe their style of play WHICH EVER IT MAY BE is superior.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-09 17:20:17 UTC
stabmag wrote:
CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent.

Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live.

So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever."


Use your main to post serieuse threats....

Or this is QQ dec shield post.
stabmag
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-09 17:25:13 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
stabmag wrote:
CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent.

Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live.

So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever."


Use your main to post serieuse threats....

Or this is QQ dec shield post.


im sorry i offended the king of eve. Purpose of this thread is to be as non partisian as possible any post with a main would cloud that.

Also please stop posting off topic. this post is not about forum main / alt posting and the eve metagame.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-09 17:33:00 UTC
stabmag wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Dec Shield thread detected.

I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual.

War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them.



obviously someone didn't read the thread. if you work for ccp please respond in the manner i requested. any thing else is just a speculation.

yes this is a dec shield thread.. obviously. but again all i am requesting is clarification from ccp not from other gamers who believe their style of play WHICH EVER IT MAY BE is superior.


This is a public forum meant mainly for players to discuss issues among themselves. If you wanted a personal reply from CCP, you should have petitioned it an requested a reply.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-09 17:37:00 UTC
This may help you.

bounties, kill rights, new modules and war in retribution
reported by CCP SoniClover | 2012.11.21 17:08:44 |

Rules of War

We’ve done two iteration stories on the war system from the Inferno expansion. These are the stories we got to this time around, but there is more work to be done here.

The aggressor now has the option to retract a war that has been made mutual by the defender. This ends the war in 24 hours. The other option here was to give the aggressor a chance to accept or refuse making the war mutual, but we felt the retraction was a cleaner and simpler solution.

The other story is a bit of refactoring of the war declaration cost. We’ve removed the cost multiplier based on number of wars you’re in, as this was causing issues when wars are being copied around, plus it’s much more severe to be multiplying the base cost now compared to before (50 million and 2 million respectively).

Also, we’ve changed a little bit how the cost scales depending on number of characters in defender corp/alliance. The cost now starts ramping up faster than before and thus hits the ceiling of 500 million sooner. Before the cost started scaling up around the 128 character mark and hit the ceiling at ca. 7200. After the change, the cost starts ramping up with the 51st character and hits the ceiling at the 2000 character mark.
FnStrabo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-09 17:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: FnStrabo
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


This is a public forum meant mainly for players to discuss issues among themselves. If you wanted a personal reply from CCP, you should have petitioned it an requested a reply.



LOL you obviously haven't tried to get answers from CCP before.

I'd like an answer from CCP on this as well. How about it folks???
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-12-09 17:59:07 UTC
The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics".
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-12-09 18:00:16 UTC
It's in the game, so of course they support it Big smile

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
FnStrabo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-12-09 18:12:43 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics".



As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such.

CCP?
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-12-09 18:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nex apparatu5
FnStrabo wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics".



As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such.

CCP?


The Dec shield exploit was patched out of the game, so I ask again, what in-game mechanic is he asking about?
FnStrabo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-09 18:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: FnStrabo
Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:
It's in the game, so of course they support it Big smile


It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-12-09 18:25:50 UTC
FnStrabo wrote:
Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:
It's in the game, so of course they support it Big smile


It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently.


So petition it, because the recent expansion did fix it. Still don't see the issue.
stabmag
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-12-09 18:52:59 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
FnStrabo wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics".



As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such.

CCP?


The Dec shield exploit was patched out of the game, so I ask again, what in-game mechanic is he asking about?


As per Dec shields latest discussion in the crime and punishment forum it has not been.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-09 18:57:13 UTC
Came expecting support for paramedics, left realising I read it wrong Straight
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2012-12-09 19:06:11 UTC
A Petition is more likely to get a response than here. At least they will have to respond in some way.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#19 - 2012-12-09 19:08:45 UTC

Dec Shield butt hurt detected.

1) Mechanics are working as intended,
2) Wars are not permanant but indefinite,
3) They could end if dec shield fails or you surrender and disband your corp.
4) If you make a public thread you cannot stop other players from commenting.
5) If you only want a CCP response then use petition system.
stabmag
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-09 19:17:20 UTC
Zelda Wei wrote:

Dec Shield butt hurt detected.

1) Mechanics are working as intended,
2) Wars are not permanant but indefinite,
3) They could end if dec shield fails or you surrender and disband your corp.
4) If you make a public thread you cannot stop other players from commenting.
5) If you only want a CCP response then use petition system.



troll posting detected.

again mechanics may not be working as intended. but either way this thread is not a discussion about if wars are good or whos style of play is good or bad.

This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec.

obviously I cannot stop people from posting but I would respectfully ask we keep the discussion on topic. Any discussion otherwise is off topic and I would rather not see my topic locked because some idiot carebear thinks the world revolves around thier ability to mine and mission in peace or some pvp idiot that thinks eve has no pve content.
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