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Do non-teamspeak pvp corps even exist?

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Ralph woof
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-08 12:41:09 UTC
Seriously, almost every pvp corp i see has a teamspeak requirement.

I really dislike electronic communications since there are many times i am like "i didnt catch that, repeat" or "what". Multiply that a few times and its pretty annoying that is why i prefer communicating through text more.(i still dont know why teamspeak is so important in a game like eve that isnt aboutt insanely great reflexes and apm but well, i havent managed to pvp and doubt i will)

So my question is, do pvp corps that dont use teamspeak exist? Or the only ones that dont use it are some very very minor corps that dont affect anything important in the eve world?
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-08 13:04:17 UTC
Watch a few fleet PVP vids on youtube mate, and you'll see why voice coms are essential.
I don't even fleet PVP, but you can clearly see the disadvantage the group would be at not being able to call primary asap.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-08 13:37:08 UTC
Not all eve pvp corps use ts... Some use vent

But really, eve pvp DOES require insanely fast reflexes and instant Intel. Without voice comms you face a major disadvantage andto be honest, with the inherent danger of undocking indy corps should be using voice comms to relay intel as well
Merouk Baas
#4 - 2012-12-08 13:47:16 UTC
Yes, they do exist.

They probably suck at PVP though.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-08 13:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Ralph woof wrote:
Seriously, almost every pvp corp i see has a teamspeak requirement.

I really dislike electronic communications since there are many times i am like "i didnt catch that, repeat" or "what". Multiply that a few times and its pretty annoying that is why i prefer communicating through text more.(i still dont know why teamspeak is so important in a game like eve that isnt aboutt insanely great reflexes and apm but well, i havent managed to pvp and doubt i will)

So my question is, do pvp corps that dont use teamspeak exist? Or the only ones that dont use it are some very very minor corps that dont affect anything important in the eve world?


Yet plenty of PvP corps that use Ventrillo, EVE Voice or mumble...


But really, if you think you can PvP with text based orders, please think again.

In the time that you type that you have aggro on something, you are already dead before you can finish your message.

Voice comms are 10x (or more) faster then typing and as PvP in EVE is actually fast paced you need fast order/response.

About not hearing it, tweek the settings (locally boost the FC while turning down the others helps) and eventually orders will become a 2nd nature.

Text only PvP corps will always suck in PvP fights against others that do use voice comms

And I can clearly see you haven't done any PvP, as actually it is about instant reflexes, 0.1 second can make the difference between a tackle and kill or someone warping off. 0.1 seconds can be the difference of grabbing aggro on a fleet or having them jump gates. 0.1 seconds can make a lot of difference in PvP.

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Ultramar Independent Contracting
#6 - 2012-12-08 15:56:53 UTC
I prefer the in ingame voice options over Teamspeak, so does the majority of my corp. So there you have it.
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-08 17:08:55 UTC
Silent fleet = dead fleet

The reason is nobody is going to spend 100% of their time watching the chat window, as it takes their attention away from the situation at hand. It is much easier (and faster) to simply press a key and voice your concerns, than it is to type them. Compare the amount of time it takes to say "I've got point" to typing it. I'm sure the results will be unsurprising Blink

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Amarra Mandalin
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-12-08 19:50:58 UTC
There are a fair amount of people who aren't fond of non-fleet comms in Eve for various reasons. While I wouldn't join a group that didn't require comms during fleet, I think some go overboard with requiring one to be on 24/7.

Some have a valid reason more or less but it is a game and not a job. You can always look for a corp with more flexibility and any decent corp will have an AFK channel or such where you can hang out and avoid the mind-numbing chatter, if that's what's bugging you.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2012-12-08 21:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Mumble checking in!

If those corps exist, they can't run fleets of performance as high as those using voice comms. The main reason is that, in a fight, keeping a finger on the PTT button gives far faster communication and thus better collaboration than dedicating both of your hands to typing does. This means that critical fleet commands like "everyone get off the gate" or "Drake is bait, primary the Hurricane instead" or "Petrus needs reps now!" which would save a situation or win a fight -- may be woefully late by the time you push Enter to send them.

If you're having trouble understanding people, you should ask them to speak more clearly, or look for problems with your headphones/speakers, your/their internet connection, or their mic.

Ralph woof wrote:
eve isnt aboutt insanely great reflexes and apm

It's not about APM, correct. It is about control, having an ace up your sleeve, and knowing when to fight, when to run, and how to do each of them. Fast response to the situation is critical. I have won fights by a hair before because of fast countering of my opponent's tactics (even some where I was outgunned/outnumbered).

Since the more people there are on the field, the more chaotic everything is, being able to keep it together is essential for victory. Voice comms are a large part of that.

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Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-12-09 13:33:46 UTC
To PvP you at the very least need to have active ears on, even if you don't speak yourself.

However, I also understand some of where the OP is coming from. what with Eve being the multi national game it is, voice comms can be difficult at times when you are having to put up with different accents, none english (as their first language) speakers.

I remember during the hight of the Great Delve war going on roams with GBC Fleets and some of the hillarity, frustration, anger cause by Shrike's (I think, it's a long time ago for me now) heavy accent.Smile
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2012-12-09 13:54:22 UTC
Ways to avoid communication problems:

  1. Enunciate clearly
  2. Use a proper microphone and set it up properly
  3. When calling targets, use phonetic alphabet to spell the name rather than trying to say it
  4. Fly with people enough that you know what mmmfmfmrrm mean's "Primary is broadcast" while "ffmdnssm" means "gate is red, do not jump"
  5. Use decent headphones
  6. Don't claim to be a girl with a broken microphone when you are in fact an overweight balding neck beard, that lie will catch up with you eventually, usually in a bad way.

Mr Pragmatic
#12 - 2012-12-09 14:54:59 UTC
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Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-09 14:58:48 UTC
We have some deaf persons who can PvP just fine, someone just transcribes the FCs orders.
Besides that just hang out with the people that lead fleets and you will understand them better after a while.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-09 15:09:59 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Yes, they do exist.

They probably suck at PVP though.


I don't use TS... or any comms

So I probably suck.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-09 18:07:08 UTC
I'll just add that the average FC (that's a fleet commander) in EVE is not a 12 year old kid yelling into his mike that's half an inch from his mouth, while his parents argue in the background. I've flown with all kinds of different people, and only very very rarely I have problems understanding somebody. And I am not a native English speaker.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-12-09 18:09:32 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

6. Don't claim to be a girl with a broken microphone when you are in fact an overweight balding neck beard, that lie will catch up with you eventually, usually in a bad way.

Heh. Guildmate of mine in another MMO did this because he was embarrassed he had a female avatar. I'm somewhat baffled.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-09 18:53:19 UTC
It's not very difficult to get by using teamspeak. I'm a diehard keyboarder like yourself. Talking really helps you get information on the enemy status quickly while you're also moving your ship. PVP does get pretty quick at times. But if you want a reference for stuff you might have missed, most fleet commanders will make broadcasts, and the fleet window shows those. I always have my fleet broadcasts up to make sure I don't miss something important, like where the fleet went when they disappeared suddenly. If your FC doesn't broadcast everything and doesn't fleet warp you, then you should be asking your FC to do these things. Not doing that is bad for fleet cohesion.

And don't worry too much! They have to keep 20-50 people together (for a medium-sized roam) so you can bet they've got a system that makes it easy. A good FC makes it really easy to tell what's going on. They repeat repeat repeat everything important, and state everything clearly. So it's not so bad.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#18 - 2012-12-09 20:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Only way to PvP without voice comms is to do it solo. Or, I suppose, to do it and lose. In the 20 seconds that it would take for the FC to type out an order, and then for you to read that order and react, many fights would already be decided one way or another. If you have a hard time with spoken English then find, or start, a corp that uses your native language for comms.

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#19 - 2012-12-09 21:47:54 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Heh. Guildmate of mine in another MMO did this because he was embarrassed he had a female avatar. I'm somewhat baffled.


Wait... female avatar... shame... MY GAWD! IT ALL COMES TOGETHER NAOW!

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#20 - 2012-12-09 21:56:56 UTC
Well the level of order and practise required to be able to do it text only is massive, Its much easyer and faster usually to do it over voice. Most pvp organisation use outside eve voice so no matter whats happen on eve servers, they can communicate, theorycraft, etc....

You cant use chat or eve voice if you cant login for game.

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