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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#121 - 2012-12-09 13:06:51 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

I don't know about you but not everybody would humiliate themselves into going to a place where they consider you the lowliest form of low life, an "alt worthy" player


Oh you don't have to move anywhere for that.


Ain't that the truth.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#122 - 2012-12-09 13:11:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples

OK then.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#123 - 2012-12-09 13:22:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.


Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#124 - 2012-12-09 13:25:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.


Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.



See my Page 1 Post here.

Yup.Smile

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#125 - 2012-12-09 13:29:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.


Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.


So you got nothing?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#126 - 2012-12-09 13:31:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.


Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.


So you got nothing?



There's nobody more blind than the man who does not want to see.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-12-09 13:43:48 UTC
Turelus wrote:
Most of the alliances I have worked with have never been annoyed with industry corps or players for not joining a CTA or home defence, sure if they're free and can fly a ship they might have been asked or most often willingly volunteer to join up.

It's been interesting to see how this thread has had so many negative responses though, it seems that the player base is not ready to sit down and solve "Why mining and industry is worthless in NullSec" just yet.


The standard response is
"nerf hisec"

the suggested nerfs typically include, but are not limited to suggestions similar to :-
"make velspar the only asteroid in hisec"
"move L4 missions to losec"
"move Level 2+ missions to losec and npc nulsec"
"remove most Industry slots in hisec"

the list carries on in a similar vein for maybe another 10-15 similar simplistic 'ideas'
and im sure you can tell it's a very negative list


constructive theorycrafting is a skill that is beyond most of the posters to these forums, they do not have either the raw intelligence or the creative intuition required to contribute in a constructive, logical manner.

the sad part is, when you give them a constructive solution, but one that would require effort and endeavour for nulsec to accomplish, they don't want it because it's not being "given to them with no effort"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#128 - 2012-12-09 14:51:51 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:


The standard response is "nerf hisec"

the suggested nerfs typically include, but are not limited to suggestions similar to :-
"make velspar the only asteroid in hisec"
"move L4 missions to losec"
"move Level 2+ missions to losec and npc nulsec"
"remove most Industry slots in hisec"

the list carries on in a similar vein for maybe another 10-15 similar simplistic 'ideas'
and im sure you can tell it's a very negative list


constructive theorycrafting is a skill that is beyond most of the posters to these forums, they do not have either the raw intelligence or the creative intuition required to contribute in a constructive, logical manner.

the sad part is, when you give them a constructive solution, but one that would require effort and endeavour for nulsec to accomplish, they don't want it because it's not being "given to them with no effort"



Seems like only extreme reactions to either side of this are all that's 'allowed'. Kinda like how even potato chip flavors now are "X-TREME".

I honestly find it hard to take the usual ideas presented here (for years and years and years) seriously.

I don't think they really believe what they say. There is just a certain type that gets off on jerking the rest of the human race around anonymously. Sad really.

It could be a really great game, otherwise. And a better Internet.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2012-12-09 20:10:31 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Welp, I cannot speak from personal experience, but the logic seems sound.


"Welp, I have no idea what anyone actually does in null, but I've arbitrarily decided I know what they do with their minerals!"

generaldiscussion.txt right there

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Dave stark
#130 - 2012-12-09 20:12:56 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Welp, I cannot speak from personal experience, but the logic seems sound.


"Welp, I have no idea what anyone actually does in null, but I've arbitrarily decided I know what they do with their minerals!"

generaldiscussion.txt right there


you sound surprised.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-12-09 20:13:45 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Turelus wrote:
So why?

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

This was the only responce the thread needed.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#132 - 2012-12-09 20:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Turelus wrote:
So why?

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

This was the only responce the thread needed.


... and some couldn't really figure out by themselves without asking, eh?

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-12-09 20:21:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Turelus wrote:
So why?

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

This was the only responce the thread needed.


... and some couldn't really figure out by themselves without asking, eh?

Not like CCP didn't make abundantly clear the other day.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#134 - 2012-12-09 21:10:29 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Turelus wrote:
So why?

Because anywhere other than high-sec, a miner must pay attention to the game.

This was the only responce the thread needed.

... and some couldn't really figure out by themselves without asking, eh?

Not like CCP didn't make abundantly clear the other day.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#135 - 2012-12-09 22:09:55 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Welp, I cannot speak from personal experience, but the logic seems sound.


"Welp, I have no idea what anyone actually does in null, but I've arbitrarily decided I know what they do with their minerals!"

generaldiscussion.txt right there



Au contraire. I go with the information presented over time.

I usually find yours discredible based upon its smell.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-12-09 22:10:51 UTC
Turelus wrote:
So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?


short answer i have almost 5 bil now. Got any question?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-12-09 23:58:02 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Why should they go through the bother of protecting an industrial infrastructure when everything they need can be more cheaply and more easily sourced from Jita?


titans, supercaps, etc. can't be sourced from jita.


They effectively are, we just have the actually build them in 0.0.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#138 - 2012-12-10 00:31:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Why should they go through the bother of protecting an industrial infrastructure when everything they need can be more cheaply and more easily sourced from Jita?

titans, supercaps, etc. can't be sourced from jita.

They effectively are, we just have the actually build them in 0.0.

Yeah, but only thanks to the game mechanics, otherwise we'd see people with scam trades of titans in Jita.

Nerf mineral compression, by the way. And bridges and titans in general.

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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-12-10 00:53:28 UTC
Another new and original post. Oh, hey, and my reply is new and original, too!
Zhade Lezte
#140 - 2012-12-10 01:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Oh right, it's just something you made up that doesn't need any evidence or examples
OK then.


Yes, more than half a decade of forums feedback don't convey the feelings. At all.


~MD Superstar~, eh?

To think you've criticized others for appealing to authority.