EVE General Discussion

Why pay double? WiS has been talking for 6 years, these are millions and millions of money in subscriptions, and we got is a doll in a prison cell and they talk about making another FPS like DUST just inside EVE for exploration sites, when don't know.

I've been pledged to Star Citizen because they have the tools and an engine that already exist and work and have the knowledge and I think that they can give, CCP is giving all stuff that was broken and now they say that it will work but it is the same stuff.

I don't want to pay double for WiS, I will pay for another game that gives and don't runs in circles and repeats the same things that were make broken and now they are make right.

let's be quite honest here: the concept of Incarna, where you could socialize outside of the pod, having conference rooms, corp offices, war rooms, ability to build your own establishment, black market, and, perhaps much further ahead, some real action outside spaceships, was good. Making it integral part of the whole game, and having stuff outside of the pod affecting stuff in space was good.

Incarna as it was released, however, was just to feed the hubris from CCP's part, specially with the NEX store added on top. CCP promised us the universe, and they delivered us a tiny room and a clothing store. In result, and together with the new forum release failure (I still want my graphical signature CCP) we got angry at how 4-5 years of in-house development and several hundred working hours were condensed in just that tiny room. And so, we got angry at it. very angry. Angry because it felt useless. Angry because of 18 months, and in the end, angry because we warned CCP time and again, and they, blinded by the above mentioned hubris, thought they could get away with just that tiny room.
They didn't, and while it does show promise, it is better to shelve Incarna for now. Still too many open wounds, and don't forget what happened on the wake of it all. Don't forget that CCP fired 20% of their manpower after this. Incarnafail is still too fresh in everybody's memories, so better keep it on a shelf, waiting for better days.


However, truth to be told, the failure of Incarna did brought some revamped interest in getting **** done on this game, and while it was still a bumpy road, it has been a bit better ever since.


TL;DR: in hindsight, Incarna was released too bare-bones and severely lacking content. and people got mad at it. And people are still mad at it.

yeah true, people angry for the sake of being angry aren't the issue here. you can't always make everyone happy, altho, in hindsight, it was one of those rare occasions where everybody was angry.

Star citizen?! Bwahahah. no seriously. If eve did a kick started to upgrade WIS I think I would contribute some money,

I've been following conversations about Star Citizen, and the thing I see mentioned most is that it's "more like wing command than eve"

Nah.
If that games releases, and does what the guy trying to make it says, it's going to be the only direct competetion EVE has.
I watched that guy talk for like an hour about making EVE online, with a single player component.
He was talking about the same basic economic, resource, and territory stuff that is in EVE, within the same kind of persistant enviroment.

Don't take that as "star citizen will kill EVE", or "star citizen will be great". For all I know the game will neve release.

However, if it does, and it works how he says he intends it to, it's going to be very much like EVE with twitch based piloting, and the ability to exit your ship and not just walk in a station, but on your ship.

And it could be boring as all hell.

But, if it's good and fun, then CCP could end up behind the curve in their goal of making a sci-fi game that's more than just spaceships.

I feel confident saying that there are many more people who want to play a space sci fi game that lets you get out of your ship and do stuff than there are that will play one that confines you to your ship, or in EVE's case a jail cell.

I'm still hoping that CCP are really working on WiS content in secret, keeping it out of ear-shot of the players and will throw it in as a surprise at the same time they connect Dust to the TQ server. It'd make sense, if mercs can wander around in stations and whatever, how come we're confined to captains quarters? Plus with all the negativity Incarna caused, and how a lot of people use CQ as a running joke then mocking all the people that do like it and the character customiser, it would make sense to keep any content being developed for it quiet, so all the nay-sayers don't have something new to flame and troll.

On a side note, I'm a fan of WiS, and the character customiser. I change my character appearance once every few months and like to play about matching makeup, hairstyles, colours and tattoos with clothing and lighting to get good avatar pictures, and occassionally I switch on CQ so I can waltz around the room, sit and watch the t.v, stare at whatever ship is active as it slowly spins around in the distance. sure it doesn't actually do anything right now, but it's nice to know it's there, and to admire the scenery every once in a while.

Consequence of what it is, not really what it isn't.

If it was something people could actually do something with, it would only be bloatware to those people who don't want to do it, and that's no different than someone liking one particular gameplay mechanic over another in the rest of EVE.

WiS wasn't intended to just be some afterthought, it's been the route they've planned on taking EVE for almost as long as EVE has been running.


Yes, it is bloatware, but so would a PoS that you could anchor to the moon and do nothing else with.

6 years of waiting to walk around a station, that's not really a small amount of time.
Imagine being shown visions of a super awesome spaceship for 6 years, getting a model you could spin around in a hangar, and then being told "nevermind for now, dunno when we'll get around to it either."

That's me with that CQ button.
My super awesome spaceship I've been waiting years for, and I can't undock it.

The simple fact is, games have continued to expand and grow, always building off the failures and successes of what came before. EVE is easily the single best Space Ship game available, but it can't last forever on that accomplishment.

Just as Warcraft surpassed EverQuest and Quake replaced Doom, there are always developers who are working on the next step. While CCP tweaking missile graphics and improving nebulae is nice (and appreciated), that isn't enough to sustain a game forever without serious innovation. I'd rather have CCP get Avatar based gameplay out the door - better and FASTER - than Star Citizen, so EVE doesn't become a secondary product in an increasingly-crowded market space.

So far eve is the only decent space mmo . So if you hate it to bad nowhere to go

Mix fealing, if done correctly, WiS could be a good addiction to EvE/Dusk. But on the other hand, incarna fiasco almost killed EvE...