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Isk, aur, plex: Do I have this right?
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#1 - 2011-10-22 13:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Let's see, I can easily run missions and make enough isk to buy plex on the market. (which I haven't done, but I could).

I can then use that plex to extend my subscription. hmmm

I can also use that plex to get aur to buy things from the Nex. hmmm Was the Nex created so players would sink more real money into EVE and CCP thinking they've created a cash cow? I keep receiving free aur, but there's nothing in the Nex that I want or need.

Seems like to me that if all the players in EVE used the isk they earned in playing EVE, they all could use that isk to buy plex to extend their subscriptions, literally forever. (Hello, no real money coming into CCP.) edit--my bad, this statement is wrong, but I will leave it here.

All players, if they wanted to, could also use isk to buy plex to get aur to buy things on the Nex. (Also no additional real money coming into CCP)

Buy 13 plex for $199? Almost the same amount for the monthyly subscription. Ah, but if I bought a lot of Plex, I might be temped to purchase something from the Nex.

Sorry if some of this has been mentioned before, but I just wanted to put some of it all together to see if I had it right, and so see if it really makes any sense to have aur or even plex. Seems like CCP created a means for everyone to play EVE for free.(sorry for bring that to light)

adios

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2011-10-22 13:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Ion Kirst wrote:

Seems like to me that if all the players in EVE used the isk they earned in playing EVE, they all could use that isk to buy plex to extend their subscriptions, literally forever. (Hello, no real money coming into CCP.)




So dumb ... incredibly narrow minded and dumb.


edit: Well sorry for the harsh words. No, you have this totally wrong.
Plex is not free gaming time. PLEX is created ingame when someone spends REAL LIFE MONEY.
All PLEX in game have been paid for to CCP with REAL MONEY.
malaire
#3 - 2011-10-22 14:03:35 UTC
You miss the fact that all* PLEX in game are bought by someone with real money. CCP don't magically insert PLEX into game, so if all players would start playing for free, PLEX would soon disappear from EVE, and then nobody could play for free anymore.

*) Except few which are from buddy-program rewards.

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Sellendis
The Ares project
#4 - 2011-10-22 14:06:54 UTC
Interesting post from a person that thinks PLEX is a CCP seeded item in stations.
If you took time to write all that crap and not knowing how PLEX even works, i am honestly wondering why do you play EvE at all.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#5 - 2011-10-22 14:36:44 UTC
I have np with any comments you make on what I posted, (take it with a grain of salt)

OK, I made a gross error, so obviously I didn't have it right, as I haven't used plex. mea culpa, mea culpa

Please continue, haven't heard anything good about plex, the Nex, or Aur, yet. Just me bashing, and I guess that's ok, as the others have already been thru the ringer.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
#6 - 2011-10-22 14:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Htrag
I feel the need to laff at someone this morning.

Although to be fair, I think CCP is banking on that misconception.

Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game.
Holy One
Privat Party
#7 - 2011-10-22 14:51:38 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:

Seems like to me that if all the players in EVE used the isk they earned in playing EVE, they all could use that isk to buy plex to extend their subscriptions, literally forever. (Hello, no real money coming into CCP.)




So dumb ... incredibly narrow minded and dumb.


He said he 'can easily' run enough missions to make plex. That means he can easily spend 6 hrs a day doing mindless repetative tasks. I don't think we're dealing with another Descartes ..

:)
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#8 - 2011-10-22 14:59:07 UTC
oh, Holy one, I can easily make enough isk to buy plex by running boring missions, but I only have to use a couple of hours in the evening to do so. I'm sorry you have to do spend 6 hours. Still it is my decision, as some people like to mine.

But I have seen the light of day. I can let other people buy plex, using their real money, then I could buy that plex using isk and extend my subscription for as long as I wish.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-22 15:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Josie Starshine
But what happens as demand for Plex moves closer to the supply? The actual profit to CCP narrows. At a 1:1 CCP makes no money from Plex, as opposed to what they would make on a subscription.

This all works well for CCP if Plex supply greatly exceeds Plex demand. Otherwise, not so much (More people buying Plex with real money as opposed to players using Plex to pay their subs).
malaire
#10 - 2011-10-22 15:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Josie Starshine wrote:
But what happens as demand for Plex moves closer to the supply? The actual profit to CCP narrows. At a 1:1 CCP makes no money from Plex, as opposed to what they would make on a subscription.

This all works well for CCP if Plex supply greatly exceeds Plex demand. Otherwise, not so much (More people buying Plex with real money as opposed to players using Plex to pay their subs).

PLEX costs more than subscription. Also even if CCP would make same from PLEX and subscriptions, having PLEX is still good since it decreases ISK sellers in game because players have legit way to "buy ISK".

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mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#11 - 2011-10-22 15:12:32 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:


But I have seen the light of day. I can let other people buy plex, using their real money, then I could buy that plex using isk and extend my subscription for as long as I wish.

-Kirst


I play by PLEX now, and i'm also very grateful to those players that seed the market with them. Smile It's a gaming lifeline since my rl hours at work had been cut for a few months.
I find one lvl 4 mission a day, or a blitz of missions on a day off will generate enough isk (selling salvage/tags etc) will buy the plex every 30 days and have isk spare
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-22 15:21:12 UTC
malaire wrote:
Josie Starshine wrote:
But what happens as demand for Plex moves closer to the supply? The actual profit to CCP narrows. At a 1:1 CCP makes no money from Plex, as opposed to what they would make on a subscription.

This all works well for CCP if Plex supply greatly exceeds Plex demand. Otherwise, not so much (More people buying Plex with real money as opposed to players using Plex to pay their subs).

PLEX costs more than subscription. Also even if CCP would make same from PLEX and subscriptions, having PLEX is still good since it decreases ISK sellers in game because players have legit way to "buy ISK".


I agree about it reducing the use of ISK sellers but I still read a lot about botting for RMT anyhow.

And you must still also agree that subbing with Plex cannot compare to the revenue CCP would draw if everyone was actually paying for their subs like in other games.

And I still stand by the fact that as Plex supply/demand reach 1:1 CCP profit narrows greatly.
malaire
#13 - 2011-10-22 15:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Josie Starshine wrote:
And you must still also agree that subbing with Plex cannot compare to the revenue CCP would draw if everyone was actually paying for their subs like in other games.

If we forget buddy-reward PLEX then CCP gets 17.50 monthly for each player who uses PLEX for gametime. If everyone would start paying for their subs, CCP income would be less since normal gametime is 15 per month or less.

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Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-22 16:11:03 UTC
Did anyone mention that PLEX has to have been payed for by someone for it to be in the game and thus CCP is winning either way? Silly OP.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#15 - 2011-10-22 16:32:23 UTC
gonna have to stop mr know it all for a min.

Im only speaking for me. Id rather pay 14.95$ a month because well i can . and buy 28 plexes for their price of 495.00 because i can
wasteing the time it takes to make 400 mill to buy a plex seems kinda pointless to me sure everyone needs isk but if i want a pricey skill book or capital ship i aint gonna spend the time ratting mineing for it when i can spend real cash buy plexes and then sell them and put something into the game. AUR dont care about it wont drop real cash into it. gonna leave that how it is. and ignore it all together,
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#16 - 2011-10-22 16:37:47 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
gonna have to stop mr know it all for a min.

Im only speaking for me. Id rather pay 14.95$ a month because well i can . and buy 28 plexes for their price of 495.00 because i can
wasteing the time it takes to make 400 mill to buy a plex seems kinda pointless to me sure everyone needs isk but if i want a pricey skill book or capital ship i aint gonna spend the time ratting mineing for it when i can spend real cash buy plexes and then sell them and put something into the game. AUR dont care about it wont drop real cash into it. gonna leave that how it is. and ignore it all together,

Ah, so you're the one paying for my game, you're so kind. Cool

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mkint
#17 - 2011-10-22 16:40:32 UTC
CCP, if you're reading, I'd be extremely interested to see long term plex sales vs consumption vs paid subs graphs.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#18 - 2011-10-22 16:50:22 UTC
Josie Starshine wrote:
And I still stand by the fact that as Plex supply/demand reach 1:1 CCP profit narrows greatly.



Yes and no.

If there weren't any plex on the market, because of immediate sale then use, CCPs accountants would be a lot happier (well, other than people blowing plex up. They like that more). That plex sitting unused is problematic from an accounting point of view. Do you count it as unearned revenue, and put it on the side, until it is used? Do you spend it, then go 'crap' when everyone on the game plexs for a month and you have no income?

See the problem? The only advantages to them, of a plex existing in game unused, is the potential destructibility, and that they can earn interest on the money they got for it. They're a loan that can get called in at any moment.

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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#19 - 2011-10-22 18:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
mkint wrote:
CCP, if you're reading, I'd be extremely interested to see long term plex sales vs consumption vs paid subs graphs.



- this is part of the underlying reason for my troll. CCP says they read these forums, so I guess I want them to hear my opinion, even if I wasn't absolutely correct.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.