EVE General Discussion

Minerals mined outside of high sec are generally used where they are mined. High sec minerals are often used to make lower end items for high sec players... of course some actually get moved into lower sec areas. The truth is null sec mining does not have the ability to provde high sec with enough low end minerals when they are busy building caps and high end items for their own use with what they can mine.

Speaking as someone who runs 5 accounts (4 miners + booster), I find it a lot easier in high sec. There are the occasional gankings that go on in the system that I call home, but for the most part, it's relatively peaceful and I can go about my business.

That being said, I don't mind mining nullsec (would never consider mining lowsec due to the fact that the risk of ganking would not make it profitable at all). I would actually leave high sec and live in nullsec to mine if it weren't for the new and improved AI belt rats. More often than not these days, I find myself struggling to find enough asteroids in my home system or the neighbouring systems to shoot in high sec. I think this problem will get worse because a lot of the AFK domi drone boat mission runners will switch to the next easy mode isk maker.

In nullsec my setup is 4 tanked procurers and an orca. Each of my toons except orca booster have 2 million+ skill points invested in drones and before the expansion, I could relatively comfortably kill the belt rats with my 20 T2 drone fleet.
This is no longer the case.

As far as PvP risk in nullsec, as long as you pay attention to the intel channels and stay aligned to your favourite PoS, there is probably less risk of getting ganked in null, than in high sec.

So for me, the main reasons I stay in high sec now.

1. NPC AI vs Drones is especially bad for miners that only have drones for defense
2. Logistics again (Moving stuff from null to high is a pain when the bottlenecks between null and high/low sec are almost always gate camped)

p.s I am not trying to turn this into another Drones suck thread. Just highlighting another aspect of the NPC AI changes.

Thanks for all the replies, especially to Aila Garris for her detailed breakdown.

I never really thought about the the issues with alliance leaderships, most of the alliances I have been in with industry corps let them go about their own thing. Although maybe I just wasn't aware of what was going on.

Seems CCP has a lot of work to do if they ever want to reach the stage where industry corporations will want to move to NullSec and make money mining and producing things for alliances out there.

You're becoming increasingly unhinged Mr. Krixtal, perhaps you should take a break there buddy.

I mine in hi sec and I never any of these problems.
I got pictures to prove it. Do you have pictures to
prove all that negative stuff is happening?

i'm a miner, and i've been to null sec. people don't really care if you're "wasting time or joining the cta" hell, most of the time when a fleet went up in fleet finder it was full before i could find it and join. my corp did keep bugging me to contact the industrial director to have a chat with him but after a month of him never logging in at a respectable time during my timezone, i gave up and came back to high sec.

then again, i guess that largely depends on what alliance you're in in 0.0

titans, supercaps, etc. can't be sourced from jita.
also, building locally is cheaper and offers profit to those in the alliance with industrial alts.
there's a myriad of reasons why you should do industry in 0.0 if it wasn't such a hassle. as it stands the barriers to doing industry in 0.0 make it easier to just JF everything from jita to wherever you're living in 0.0
that's really not how the game should be, regardless of what you think of industry.

Supercaps are pretty much the only things that are built in 0.0, and for exactly that reason: there's a coded restriction on them being built anywhere else.

Building locally isn't cheaper, except for trivial stuff like ratting ammo, cyno frigates etc, because the facilities in sov 0.0 are so horribly inferior to those in hi-sec. And it certainly isn't easier than just jump-freightering in anything that's needed from Jita.

Again, people in 0.0 don't have any ideological hatred of non combat activities happening there - once again, I'll remind everyone that a very significant fraction of hi-sec activity is carried out by characters belonging to people who think of themselves as "0.0 players". Of the 6 characters on my 2 accounts, 3 spend all or nearly all of their time in hi-sec and I'm far from unusual in this. As soon as it is more effective for ships & mods to be built in 0.0, they will be. But it's difficult to compete when, for example, there are more manufacturing slots in the system of Nonni than there are in the whole of Deklein, a very heavily developed region.

Player built stations are pathetically underpowered compared to NPC stations, when it should be the other way around. An alliance that wants to really commit to developing a system should be able to build it up to be superior to any empire system.

The people who actually understand the issues are more than willing to do so, and some excellent conversations have been had. Sadly there are those who have come to believe their own rhetoric and resist any effort to foster non-combat activity in 0.0 in order to protect their misconceptions about the people who play in that area.

See this excellent piece for a possible vision of 0.0 mining, and form your own judgement on the goon that wrote it. The other two articles the author wrote on the subject of 0.0 industry are equally excellent IMO.

Oh you don't have to move anywhere for that.