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RATE MY FITS: Cruisers - Retribution
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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2012-12-08 15:42:29 UTC
The Omen:
Attack Cruiser

Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire

Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Acolyte II x5
Salvage Drone I x3

5x Conflagration M
50x Nano Repair Paste
1x Pax Amarrian

The Maller:
Combat Cruiser

Amarr Cruiser skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
5% bonus to all Armor Resistances

Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Acolyte II x3

5x Conflagration M
50x Nano Repair Paste
1x Pax Amarrian
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#2 - 2012-12-08 16:11:43 UTC
Omen:

PG rigs are too expensive to justify this fit. I'd downgrade HPL to FMPL and get a capbooster instead of web to sustain guns and tank and mwd. Also you may try meta MWD, irc it's 90% times a better option. All this requires only one ACR rig.

Oh and conflag is a terribad ammo. I deal more damage with IN MF due to better tracking and quality hits on my Legion.
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-12-08 16:20:25 UTC
Please, for the love of khanid, get rid of those Acolytes Sad

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#4 - 2012-12-08 16:29:09 UTC
Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:
Please, for the love of khanid, get rid of those Acolytes Sad


Rats in my space are EM/Thermal, and not that it takes much to kill them - sometimes just harsh language...hehe. Anyway, yet I use Hob IIs, but being a good Amarrian, I had to for propganda, er... informational truth, use Acolytes.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#5 - 2012-12-08 16:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Omen:

PG rigs are too expensive to justify this fit. I'd downgrade HPL to FMPL and get a capbooster instead of web to sustain guns and tank and mwd. Also you may try meta MWD, irc it's 90% times a better option. All this requires only one ACR rig.

Oh and conflag is a terribad ammo. I deal more damage with IN MF due to better tracking and quality hits on my Legion.


PG isn't for cap it's for PWR - you will never fit the guns on this with out all 3x of them, the PG isn't capable, so you take a hit there, but you get the bettest guns/volley, and yep scorch is where it's at, so you will have a nice damage dealing out to about 22kms with this fit, its a concession I grant you, but depending on the wallet, PG rigs are too expensive, at least for what I consider expensive.

You can also take off an ANM II and drop in a second HS II and add to the BLAP of it, but I like my resists a tad higher, but I wouldn't not fly it with dual HS IIs, it does some very very nice damage then, but that would be more like a gang fit I think, but it would depend on the play style and situation I suppose.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#6 - 2012-12-09 02:31:29 UTC
3 fitting mods for a fit it means your trying to fit the ship in a manner its not supposed to imho
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-09 03:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiji Hamin
Your fits are terribad. There is a website for this, it's called Battleclinic, use it.

Here are some fits. They are not terribad:

[Omen, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


The above fit is super easy on fitting skills and serves as a training-wheels ship that will help you get into Scorch kiters. Get used to having no backup if something gets under you guns, it's something you will need to be used to for when you aren't terrible at PvP.

AND:

[Maller, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3

This isn't necessarily the best fit, I just threw it together super quickly. Based off my experience with the harby, you want point and web because you want to use it with a gang. Scorch is, as always, your best friend, while ploughing into web range of primary and laying down Imperial Navy Multifrequency is always an option because of your sexy reload times. 44k EHP makes this thing pretty fuckin tough. requires a 1% PG implant, unless you have ****** skills, in which case you should really work on not having ****** skills. If the web is super unecessary for gang work, you can't deal with the PG requirements and you are having cap problems, all of which seem likely, swap the web for an itty-bitty cap booster, or a big kid cap booster if you can fit one, drop the ACR for a third trimark and downgrade to a T2 800mm plate from the 1600mm.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2012-12-09 04:39:19 UTC
All the fits in this thread are terrible.


But making good fits for terrible ships is very hard.


Maller without cap booster caps out in seconds, Maller without web can't hit anything.

Poor maller can't win.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#9 - 2012-12-09 04:52:24 UTC
Jiji Hamin wrote:
Your fits are terribad. There is a website for this, it's called Battleclinic, use it.

Here are some fits. They are not terribad:

[Omen, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


The above fit is super easy on fitting skills and serves as a training-wheels ship that will help you get into Scorch kiters. Get used to having no backup if something gets under you guns, it's something you will need to be used to for when you aren't terrible at PvP.

AND:

[Maller, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3

This isn't necessarily the best fit, I just threw it together super quickly. Based off my experience with the harby, you want point and web because you want to use it with a gang. Scorch is, as always, your best friend, while ploughing into web range of primary and laying down Imperial Navy Multifrequency is always an option because of your sexy reload times. 44k EHP makes this thing pretty fuckin tough. requires a 1% PG implant, unless you have ****** skills, in which case you should really work on not having ****** skills. If the web is super unecessary for gang work, you can't deal with the PG requirements and you are having cap problems, all of which seem likely, swap the web for an itty-bitty cap booster, or a big kid cap booster if you can fit one, drop the ACR for a third trimark and downgrade to a T2 800mm plate from the 1600mm.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#10 - 2012-12-09 04:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
[Omen, New Setup 1]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Acolyte II x5
Hornet EC-300 x3


[Maller, New Setup 1]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

10MN Afterburner II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Hornet EC-300 x3
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-09 06:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiji Hamin
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
All the fits in this thread are terrible.


But making good fits for terrible ships is very hard.


Maller without cap booster caps out in seconds, Maller without web can't hit anything.

Poor maller can't win.


lol
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-09 06:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
You should post stats with your fittings like EHP, speed, dps and range.

My take on the Omen:

5 x Focused Medium Pulse LAz0r II, Scorch M

10 MN MWD II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 200

2 x HS II
DCU II
EANM II
800 mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten
Either Tracking Enhancer II or Adaptive Nano Plating II

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump

5x Warrior II

It's all about the damage projection... 361 dps doesn't sound like a lot, but it hits out to 26 + 4,9 km.
Dps with conflag would be around 450, but I only use conflag on double-web ships.
1655 m/s; 21,6k EHP- 24,5k EHP if you use an ANP II instead of the Tracking Enhancer. Not sure what's more useful tbh, I will have to pewpew a little to find out....

Don't use warp scramblers on a ship with such a great optimal range- you will want to fight at about 20 km, not 10 km where Minnie and Gallente will clearly out-dps you.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Mr Pragmatic
#13 - 2012-12-09 16:41:34 UTC
Is there such a thing as a good fit?

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Ragnarok Knight
ROGUE - DRONES
#14 - 2012-12-10 03:18:47 UTC
good question!

The answer is: the fitting that wins.