EVE General Discussion

So this is actually a serious question I have always wondered.

So often there are threads from miners saying they're unhappy with the way they're treated in HighSec. They complain that they are can flipped, bumped and even ganked just because griefers want to have fun.

Why don't miners who are upset with this look for NullSec Alliances and join them? There are no can flippers or bumpers in NullSec, your chances of getting ganked are far lower due in intel channels letting you know when hostile forces are coming your way and instantly knowing any one in local not blue is going to shoot you.

There are "hidden belts" that respawn every day (I believe) with far more valuable ores in them to mine.

So why?

Because most nullsec alliances don't want miners. They only want hardened PvP'ers. Many nullsec alliances advertise in recruitment looking for industrialists and miners, yet it's a bait and switch. When the miner or industrialist gets out there, they're told to get in fleet and fight, and to mine on their own time somewhere else.

That's the problem. The bait and switch. Miners aren't stupid or if they fell for it once they're not stupid enough to fall for the fake lure of nullsec again.

hi nullsec miners generally do it on dedicated mining alts

can flipping doesn't exist. hi retriever and mackinaw ships, looking at you here buddy!
bumping only happens to afk ice miners, in like 1-2 select systems, which is also easily countered by orbiting the asteroids...
and if people want to gank you, they are going to gank you no matter what you are doing. also, if people bothered to fit a tank they'd encounter such behaviour much less often.

why don't we go to null sec? well firstly, the asteroids are worth a very small fraction more, and involve great transportation costs/effort in order to get our refined product to the trade hub that by the time we've done so; it's less profitable to mine in 0.0.
so let's see, we can sit undisturbed in high sec and mine low ends for decent isk, or we can go to 0.0 and mine ore worth about the same isk and then lose our profits on logistics.

high sec mining is fine, 3 people on the forums complaining about how the bad man made them cry over a game is no indication that mining in high sec is "bad" or "not possible" or anything else, it's just them needing a prescription of man the **** up.

tl;dr high sec mining is more lucrative and less hassle.

Flip that question on its head: why would you mine in hisec rather than nullsec?

• Being attacked:Nullsec: Anyone who attacks you will kill you, even in a frigate. Hisec: Anyone who attacks you will soon die at the hand of CONCORD. Gankers need to work at it more in hisec.
• But there's intel channels!Nullsec: You have to sit in a channel and check it every time it flashes in case you spot mention of a system that is nearby. That requires presence and awareness at the computer, knowing what systems are nearby, and reacting appropriately. Hisec: None of that noise! Just you and the rocks.
• More valuable "hidden" belts (assuming you mean Gravimetric sites): They require a) scanning, and b) keeping them clear of rats (which are more dangerous than hisec ones). Hisec: None of that noise!
• Market accessibility: Nullsec: Maybe some local market with people building their own stuff, but you have to haul it through dangerous 0.0 space, and wait a while for it to sell. Hisec: auto-pilot to trade-hub, push the "sell" button.
• Responsibilities:Nullsec: Residents are sometimes called upon to defend their space, move, and can even be driven out. Hisec: None of that noise!

tl;dr: If you are looking for a low-effort profession like mining, why would you not mine in hisec?

Because in nullsec alliances they get killed just because they mine in nullsec sov space "without permission".
Because tritanium and pyerite are actually needed in manufacturing of the ships you use to pew pew mining ships.

And of course nobody is going to let you use their jump network just to move ore around.

Don't worry, even when miners get angry they don't get violent because they trained all industry skills. They're basically helpless.

Nullsec is far safer than hi-sec, as we're so frequently and authoritatively told. Hi-sec miners are adrenaline junkies who can't be satisfied with any lesser thrill.

It's called "can't be arsed" phenomenon.

The mining per se is not really significant. Having to get nuts to move the stuff around is. Also nullsec *politics*.

I want the ability to mine stations. The minerals are already refined there! Saves me a step.