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New AI battleships think that salvage drones are more dangerous than a battleship
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Jovran
Best Friends 5eva
#1 - 2012-12-08 10:30:41 UTC
So my friend and I were doing Guristas Spies, and he brought a Noctis. Once I cleared everything down to just BC class ships and bigger, he came in and deployed salvage drones. Every single enemy ship switched targets to the drones. After pulling them, they all targeted the Noctis. Drones and a Noctis were more threatening to the AI than a battleship that had been blasting them for 2 minutes...

Don't get me wrong, I can get by with the drone changes, but this AI needs a lot of work.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-12-08 10:33:42 UTC
Sounds like the AI is doing exactly what most roaming gangs would do if they were losing a fight.

"**** it go for the noctis"
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-08 10:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jovran wrote:
So my friend and I were doing Guristas Spies, and he brought a Noctis. Once I cleared everything down to just BC class ships and bigger, he came in and deployed salvage drones. Every single enemy ship switched targets to the drones. After pulling them, they all targeted the Noctis. Drones and a Noctis were more threatening to the AI than a battleship that had been blasting them for 2 minutes...

Don't get me wrong, I can get by with the drone changes, but this AI needs a lot of work.


I'm actually going to agree (I know, shock right?) that this one seems a little unusual, especially the salvage drones. But at the same time, I don't see a problem here. Why is your mate coming to salvage with a Noctis, which has no offensive capabilities whatsoever, when there are still threats around? I think that's one of the biggest problems with missions - they were too predictable. It's like playing the same Halo game five times in a row. While I agree that this is an odd behaviour for an AI - I think it's a necessary one, as well. Get your mate in another battleship to help you clear the threats, THEN start salvaging.

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Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-12-08 10:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Just so I got this straight. You brought the Corpse Desecration Mobile in while you were still murdering all their friends and were surprised they were pissed?

Of course they took a shot at it!!!
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#5 - 2012-12-08 11:04:23 UTC
Rofl thats soo good Alara! Made my morning! Thank you.... ♥ Misha

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Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-12-08 11:04:41 UTC
If it was me who was losing a fleet of several dozen ships to one ship, I'd honestly also go for their squishy clean-up ship to limit their profits, and completely disregard the actual threat if it's already a losing battle. It makes plenty of sense, actually. "We can't win this, but we sure as hell can limit their profits!"

If you can't deal with it, just keep the Noctis out until it's completely safe to bring it in.
Just Lilly
#7 - 2012-12-08 11:06:35 UTC
You could always salvage after, the pocket is cleared...Blink

And then you can jump ahead and start clearing the next room while your friend
salvage the first room...etc.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2012-12-08 13:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
As the Noctis can now pack salvage drones, you could lose a couple of salvagers and replace them with small remote reps for said drones, the Noctis will admittedly get aggro for RRing, but it can fit a large ASB so it has half decent defensive capabilities.

Alternatively do as the poster above suggested, keep the Noctis out of the pocket until it's cleared.

I just don't understand all the hubbub over the new AI, yesterday was spent running lvl IVs, I lost 1 light drone to NPCs, perhaps because I was only unleashing them to take down the frigates, the DPS they provide isn't exactly stellar when you're using a ship that has no drone bonus.

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Dave Stark
#9 - 2012-12-08 13:18:54 UTC
the lazy way to solve afk drone boats; ai prioritise every type of drone over any other possible target.
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2012-12-08 13:42:20 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
the lazy way to solve afk drone boats; ai prioritise every type of drone over any other possible target.

except that afk drone boats use sentries and remote reppers on them, which generally pulls the aggro back to the omnitanked overtanked BS.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Dave Stark
#11 - 2012-12-08 14:01:44 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
the lazy way to solve afk drone boats; ai prioritise every type of drone over any other possible target.

except that afk drone boats use sentries and remote reppers on them, which generally pulls the aggro back to the omnitanked overtanked BS.



the lazy and terrible way to solve afk drone boats then....
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-12-08 15:36:18 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
the lazy way to solve afk drone boats; ai prioritise every type of drone over any other possible target.

except that afk drone boats use sentries and remote reppers on them, which generally pulls the aggro back to the omnitanked overtanked BS.



the lazy and terrible way to solve afk drone boats then....


Very fitting approach if you think about it.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-08 16:36:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sounds like the AI is doing exactly what most roaming gangs would do if they were losing a fight.

"**** it go for the noctis"
Except the part about going for the drones. If they went straight for the noctis, I could think it was intentional and some sort of visceral gameplay element they're trying to implement. But when NPC battleships go for drones, they're just being stupid and buggy.

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Luke Visteen
#14 - 2012-12-08 16:38:49 UTC
Jovran wrote:
Every single enemy ship switched targets to the drones. After pulling them, they all targeted the Noctis.


Scumbag NPCs Cool

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Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-12-08 17:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aston Martin DB5
Been needing work done since EvE's inception. Kind of hard when the program language is in Arabic when it needs to be in French! Oh, and of course without any translator around.

Edit: puff puff pass :)
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#16 - 2012-12-08 17:12:42 UTC
Aston Martin DB5 wrote:
Been needing work done since EvE's inception. Kind of hard when the program language is in Arabic when it needs to be in French with out any translator around.


Man, I didn't quite understand what you just said, but I love your name!

Whatever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-12-08 17:28:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sounds like the AI is doing exactly what most roaming gangs would do if they were losing a fight.

"**** it go for the noctis"



you sir owe me one shirt, as I have just spewed coffe on this one.
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#18 - 2012-12-08 18:22:41 UTC
Oh man, the HATE hobgoblins, too. Not so much with sentries, but hobgoblins beware!!
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Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-08 18:28:26 UTC
I think the point being implied here is the AI isn't actually being AI, it's just cycling random targets. AI would be AI if they adjusted their tactics to a certain losing battle or adjusted their tactics to the ship you are using (missile boats? use MWD's to close distance) or the likes, not just cycling potential targets.
Jovran
Best Friends 5eva
#20 - 2012-12-09 03:04:13 UTC
To be clear, I'm not complaining that it was making it "too difficult" to salvage, we easily adapted. I'm just saying it's kind of ridiculous.
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