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Why don't NPC ships attempt to pod players?
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2012-12-08 15:58:14 UTC
There is no design issue as Tengu pilots also lose SP when their ships are destroyed, so it seems to me this is simply a lack of implementation.

Pods should be valid targets for hostile NPCs.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-08 16:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Capsules are for players to shoot. It's a little thing they put in the game to help incite pvp I guess. It's no lack of implementation, however. CCP was very specific when they made the decision to PREVENT non-player units from firing on capsules.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2012-12-08 16:09:25 UTC
Because then EVE would actually be the harsh place place that CCP are trying to tell us it is and everyone would quit.

Mr Epeen Cool
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-08 16:12:20 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
There is no design issue as Tengu pilots also lose SP when their ships are destroyed, so it seems to me this is simply a lack of implementation.

Pods should be valid targets for hostile NPCs.


I dont agree on that people need to learn people need to get "some farm" if you remove this the game will be to hard for some and this will decrease ccp income and forthat the need to get people fired of there work at ccp. So in short more people will play the more money ccp get the bigger and better expanse we get. So wrong option OP.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-08 16:14:18 UTC
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2012-12-08 16:14:24 UTC
Some people have absolutely no concept of boundaries or limits.

On anything.

It's an improper parenting issue tbh that has run rampant the past 20 years or so.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-12-08 16:15:29 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Dave stark
#8 - 2012-12-08 16:16:23 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.


agreed. i have an alt in a t1 mining barge with 0 shield/armour skills trained that can perma tank the 0.7 belt rats until her cargo is full. which takes a while since she has **** poor mining skills too.

the rats in 0.7 belts are woefully weak, this character's light drones pretty much insta pops them, although i do have quite good drone skills.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#9 - 2012-12-08 16:16:59 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?


A 3 month old noob stands to lose essentially nothing by being podded. It actually saves him the time of warping back home.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-08 16:18:56 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?

lol!

You're funny.

You know I play the game right?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-08 16:19:46 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?


A 3 month old noob stands to lose essentially nothing by being podded. It actually saves him the time of warping back home.


No, no.

lol.

He was saying that belt rats are a "threat" to a 3 month old character.

lol.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-12-08 16:20:18 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?


A 3 month old noob stands to lose essentially nothing by being podded. It actually saves him the time of warping back home.



Again, no concept of limits or boundaries.

Also....poasting in a stealth Goon Thread so the idea is irrelevant from the get-go.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-08 16:22:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.



Try being a 3 month old noob mining in an Osprey in a .5 system.


Again......no concept of boundaries. see what I mean ?
The tutorials should cover the use of armor plates and shield extenders. This would help a lot of new players save a lot of ships. If you fit a large shield extender to your osprey, you'll have no difficulty with 0.5 sec rats. I'd like to see belt rats become much stronger than they are, scaling by sec status of course. I think 0.9 should have baby rats for ultra-new players, 0.8 should have rats like the current 0.6, 0.7 should have rats like the strongest in 0.5 but also with occasional destroyers, 0.6 should have stuff that require a retriever or covetor to fit some tank, and 0.5 should have rats that discourage mining in a barge without combat support.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-08 16:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



Again, no concept of limits or boundaries

Also....poasting in a stealth Goon Thread so the idea is irrelevant from the get-go.

lol.

boundry issues.

I like you guy, you make me laugh.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-12-08 16:24:37 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
and 0.5 should have rats that discourage mining in a barge without combat support.



There's a place for this and it happens. It's called Low Sec. Oh, I forget......it's useless to go there.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-08 16:26:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
and 0.5 should have rats that discourage mining in a barge without combat support.



There's a place for this and it happens. It's called Low Sec. Oh, I forget......it's useless to go there.

Yes, you should be able to sit in a .5 system and only have to worry about suicide ganking; while mining the same **** people mine in places that the NPC's are an actual threat.

You're what's wrong with EVE.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-08 16:32:32 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
and 0.5 should have rats that discourage mining in a barge without combat support.



There's a place for this and it happens. It's called Low Sec. Oh, I forget......it's useless to go there.

Yes, you should be able to sit in a .5 system and only have to worry about suicide ganking; while mining the same **** people mine in places that the NPC's are an actual threat.

You're what's wrong with EVE.
this

Veldspar and scordite should be the only risk-free ores. Plagioclase and pyroxeres should be a bit risky for new players, and require extra work for older. Omber and kernite should have a small bit of risk involved for anyone. EVE is supposed to have risk that scales with reward. More people would mine in lowsec if the ores there were worth much. But when you can get everything at nearly the same rates in highsec, there's just no point. Even the nocxium is mined in suitable amounts for the industry almost entirely from pyroxeres, rendering the lowsec high-nocxium ores unnecessary to mine.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2012-12-08 16:47:57 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Why aren't belt rats a threat to high sec miners?

I'd rather see that addressed before they consider having NPC's pod you; neither of which will ever happen.

Well I mean gankers aren't a particularly big problem, are the AI rats going to beat gankalysts?

Nerf ganking. Also buff freighters.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-08 16:48:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
and 0.5 should have rats that discourage mining in a barge without combat support.



There's a place for this and it happens. It's called Low Sec. Oh, I forget......it's useless to go there.

Yes, you should be able to sit in a .5 system and only have to worry about suicide ganking; while mining the same **** people mine in places that the NPC's are an actual threat.

You're what's wrong with EVE.
this

Veldspar and scordite should be the only risk-free ores. Plagioclase and pyroxeres should be a bit risky for new players, and require extra work for older. Omber and kernite should have a small bit of risk involved for anyone. EVE is supposed to have risk that scales with reward. More people would mine in lowsec if the ores there were worth much. But when you can get everything at nearly the same rates in highsec, there's just no point. Even the nocxium is mined in suitable amounts for the industry almost entirely from pyroxeres, rendering the lowsec high-nocxium ores unnecessary to mine.

And CCP clearly made it safer to mine in high sec.

There wasn't a drastic increase in mining activety in high sec because they made it more fun, or more risky. They made it more afk and bot friendly because the mining buff made it safer.

If players can't blow up miners effectively, than the NPC's need to in .7 and below.
CCP gave them their cake and is letting them eat it. It needs to stop. Changes that make high sec safer have a negative impact on other areas of the game
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#20 - 2012-12-08 17:04:46 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Because then EVE would actually be the harsh place place that CCP are trying to tell us it is and everyone would quit.

Mr Epeen Cool


It is harsh enough so people start quitting because of NPC AI change.

I predict CCP goes bankrupt if NPCs could pod players.

Whatever.
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