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CALDARI SHIPS GRAPHIC REVAMP SUGGESTION

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2012-12-07 22:06:23 UTC
David Laurentson wrote:

Chimera is frequently part Eagle, but yeah. Birds & Mythical Beasts are the Caldari naming theme.


The Gila, Worm and Rattlesnake are all Guristas ships, not Caldari.
The Scorpion is allegedly a Caldari reverse-engineering of a Guristas design: in that light, the fact that the Scorp and it's Black (ops) Widow variant "don't fit" the naming scheme or design aethetics is pretty appropriate.


Yup. I know about the winged Chimera variation, but oddly could find no reference or pictures for it, but I'll back you up.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2012-12-07 22:09:23 UTC
David Laurentson wrote:

The Scorpion is allegedly a Caldari reverse-engineering of a Guristas design: in that light, the fact that the Scorp and it's Black (ops) Widow variant "don't fit" the naming scheme or design aethetics is pretty appropriate.



That totally fits the Gurista 'desert predator' naming then so it's not so odd after all. I had forgotten about the 'history' of the Scorpion.

Mayhaps they should rename the Widow as widowMAker or Black Widow. It is a weird anomaly for surre.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#43 - 2012-12-08 13:43:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
David Laurentson wrote:

Chimera is frequently part Eagle, but yeah. Birds & Mythical Beasts are the Caldari naming theme.


The Gila, Worm and Rattlesnake are all Guristas ships, not Caldari.
The Scorpion is allegedly a Caldari reverse-engineering of a Guristas design: in that light, the fact that the Scorp and it's Black (ops) Widow variant "don't fit" the naming scheme or design aethetics is pretty appropriate.


Yup. I know about the winged Chimera variation, but oddly could find no reference or pictures for it, but I'll back you up.


'Chimera' really means "combination of creatures". The most common one you'll see in D&D or Games Workshop is a eagle-headed lion with a snake's tail: sometimes, you get three headed versions where the heads are all different. Sometimes you'll see chimera applied to any wierd-ass mutant thing (like the lobstrocities from The Dark Tower, or the wyld-tainted Lunars in Exalted). Those things can be anything from winged cats to misshapen blobs of eyes and teeth.

IRL, a fair few GM crops and microbes are described as 'chimerical', because their genetic code is a mix of different species.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2012-12-08 15:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Widows aren't even a animal (well, human beings are). A widow is a woman who has lost her husband by death and has not remarried.

There is, however, widow spiders but widow doesn't really make me think of spiders.

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Ayumi Nevinyrall
E-Baba
#45 - 2012-12-08 15:46:30 UTC
EVE has ships...???!?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-12-08 15:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Alpheias wrote:
Widows aren't even a animal (well, human beings are). A widow is a woman who has lost her husband by death and has not remarried.

There is, however, widow spiders but widow doesn't really make me think of spiders.



I'm stepping out on a limb here, but maybe they were thinking of Black Widow spiders and a mistake in naming was somehow made. That's all I can figure.

Also, the jury is still out on Worm- Desert Predator as well, as worms are not really desert creatures (unless, of course, one lives on Arrakis). Smile



EDIT: Apparently, wyrm is Old English for a European-style dragon.

Maybe it's a never corrected error in spelling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon

It's under the Terminology heading.

But this still misses the desert angle for Gurista Ships.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#47 - 2012-12-08 16:01:11 UTC
There is a simple and effective mod for this problem with EVE ships, the camera and the normal mapping, as well as the entire graphical look of the game... it's easy to do, and it really improves the resolution of all the models and the game in general, nvidia should consider this when making new cards and such and CCP shouldn't have to do a thing to impliment it as it can be done on the client side 100%.... it's called: zoom-out.
Terazul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-12-08 16:01:54 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Lord Rixus wrote:
Or even better.. make it an option. You know, so people with slow computers aren't punished but people with nice ones can enjoy eye candy.

Increasing program complexity and maintainability -- plus having to spend man-hours on this both in the art and coding department to make it happen in the first place -- is a bad idea.

No, all they have to do is release the textures in higher resolution (they already have high-res source art) and add an option to the texture quality drop-down menu of "Ultra" after "High".

This is not to say that the man-hours needed to save all of those textures in high-res is insignificant, but it is definitely a worthy investment. Currently the textures are just too low-res to stand to scrutiny up-close. Titans are particularly bad for this.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2012-12-08 16:05:54 UTC
Terazul wrote:

This is not to say that the man-hours needed to save all of those textures in high-res is insignificant, but it is definitely a worthy investment. Currently the textures are just too low-res to stand to scrutiny up-close. Titans are particularly bad for this.


Well, cap ships are next to be V3'd so let's hope.

I hope they make the Charon and Rhea look not quite so boring.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#50 - 2012-12-08 16:21:45 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:

Old Raven
New Raven

Old Scorpion
New Scorpion



So... where's the difference between Ravens?

What I see is they both have one hairy armpit; both of them are anti-aerodynamic and blocky; both of them are asymmetric.

I easily can tell you the difference between new scorp and the old one.
Where is the funkying difference between ravens?


The model is actually quite different in terms of detail. It's just difficult to see it with a single perspective.

Here is a better example

OId Raven Front
New Raven Front

Old Raven Rear
New Raven Rear
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#51 - 2012-12-08 16:23:49 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:

Old Raven
New Raven

Old Scorpion
New Scorpion



So... where's the difference between Ravens?

What I see is they both have one hairy armpit; both of them are anti-aerodynamic and blocky; both of them are asymmetric.

I easily can tell you the difference between new scorp and the old one.
Where is the funkying difference between ravens?



Raise your graphics settings above 'none' or 'low', for starters.


I didn't take those screens. ;) Pulled them off image search.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-12-08 16:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
JC Anderson wrote:


The model is actually quite different in terms of detail. It's just difficult to see it with a single perspective.

Here is a better example

OId Raven Front
New Raven Front

Old Raven Rear
New Raven Rear


Perhaps post the new Standard Raven instead of the BadCamo Faction Raven for contrast purposes. It looks horrible enough in itself (although I do use mine, I can't stand to look at that camo).


EDIT: all my searches for the V3 Standard Raven turned up nothing as well. Certainly did not expect that. There are tons of the Old Raven and BadCamo Raven. Didn't expect this to turn into a search project.

Maybe nobody uses the Standard Raven's anymore ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#53 - 2012-12-08 17:11:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
David Laurentson wrote:

Chimera is frequently part Eagle, but yeah. Birds & Mythical Beasts are the Caldari naming theme.


The Gila, Worm and Rattlesnake are all Guristas ships, not Caldari.
The Scorpion is allegedly a Caldari reverse-engineering of a Guristas design: in that light, the fact that the Scorp and it's Black (ops) Widow variant "don't fit" the naming scheme or design aethetics is pretty appropriate.


Yup. I know about the winged Chimera variation, but oddly could find no reference or pictures for it, but I'll back you up.


Its called a Manticore.

Either way Chimera is becoming less of an animal and more of a word to describe animals such as a griffon or the manticore.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2012-12-08 17:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Nova Fox wrote:


Either way Chimera is becoming less of an animal and more of a word to describe animals such as a griffon or the manticore.



I've also found chimera misused in movie and TV dialogue to mean any kind of mysterious creature...or phenomena !

EDIT: I can't type today apparently

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#55 - 2012-12-08 19:42:45 UTC
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ISD Alliance
#56 - 2012-12-08 19:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#57 - 2012-12-08 20:32:26 UTC
So.

About those Caldari Ships................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Futchmacht
TERRA CORE INDUSTRIES
#58 - 2012-12-08 20:53:51 UTC
lol you think the raven looks bad now.. i used to remember it looking like this....

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/raven_3.jpg
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2012-12-08 20:59:20 UTC
Futchmacht wrote:
lol you think the raven looks bad now.. i used to remember it looking like this....

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/raven_3.jpg



Earlier we were looking for a pic of the V3 Standard Raven, but all we can find online even with Google is the Faction Raven. You got ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Futchmacht
TERRA CORE INDUSTRIES
#60 - 2012-12-09 11:13:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Futchmacht wrote:
lol you think the raven looks bad now.. i used to remember it looking like this....

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/raven_3.jpg



Earlier we were looking for a pic of the V3 Standard Raven, but all we can find online even with Google is the Faction Raven. You got ?


Sorry i dont think so not without unpacking long dead (in storage computers with eve still installed on it lol).

Maybe i should do that some day to dig out my old SWG pictures as well for memory sake.. :)